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Paycheck-Style Memory Erasure: How Close Are We?

Quirk writes "Scientific American takes a look at the movie Paycheck, based on Philip K. Dick's work of the same name. In the movie ...'a crack reverse engineer helps companies steal and improve upon the technology of their rivals, then has his memory of the time he spent working for them erased.' '...the main character gets several months' worth of his memories erased by having individual neurons zapped. Is that possible?'"

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  1. Movie based on social implications by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A new movie is coming out that deals with some of the social implications about the ability to do this.

    It is called Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. It is the story of a couple who are having problems with their relationship, and have their memories of each other erased to see if it helps things.

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  2. Fractal memory by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just as fractal math lead to patterns, so does our memories in our brains have patterns to them. You can almost imagine parts of our brain as being holographic. In that, parts of redundant information is found in verious places. ...at least so I've read. Some would say it's the brains way of setting up a RAID5 system. When a few neurons die, others are their to take their place and rebuild the data best as possible.

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  3. Memory erasure? No, but... by argent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's one kind of "memory erasure" that's possible, but it wouldn't be very useful for this kind of application.

    There's a condition known as "anterograde amnesia", where the short term memories never get laid down as long term memories... so you can remember what you were doing a few seconds ago, but you have no idea what you were doing an hour ago. Conceivably this could be imposed, and if you were still capable of doing useful work you could do it and have no long-term memories of what happened.

    The problem is that this wouldn't apply to something that took more than a few minutes of connected thought. You wouldn't be able to get three years of development out of someone under these conditions.

    But... what if you could remind yourself and make notes quickly enough?

    There's a short story I've been trying to write for a year or so, now (and doing poorly at... I have no problem coming up with the crazy ideas, I just suck at dialog and plot and that kind of thing) and it turns on this.

    I start out with a technology that was (in this future history) developed for video games. It takes practice, but with a little work you can "save" and "read" messages and eventually memories and skills offline, in a game cartridge. This means, when you're playing Final Fantasy XCII you can remember (if you want) what 'Cloud' or 'Yufffie' know... when you're playing that character.

    So what happens when your gamer has anterograde amnesia? Why, he has memories he can access in the cartridge that can't be laid down in long term memory. They're not quite the same as the real thing, but they're good enough for his job. So he goes in to work each day, has his long term memory disabled, and gets his work persona plugged in. He could even work on mutually untrusting secret projects without breaking security.

    The story starts from there, and I won't try and tell it now (besides, as I said, it sucks, except for the twist at the end... my daughter really liked the twist at the end). BUT... this seems like something that may be a bit closer to realistic than being able to unwind organic memory that specifically.

    1. Re:Memory erasure? No, but... by waynemcdougall · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I once read this short SF story...and don't bother asking for title or author. It was what I'd consider Hard SF and was probably in an anthology....

      The plot as I recall from lo these two decades past was something like this:

      Our hero is being (brutally) interrogated by the enemy. The bad interrogator goes to strike our hero - who has the training/skills (genetic engeineering) to pull back just enough to stop the blow from hurting, but makes the decision not to, so he doesn't give away his enhanced powers.

      His captors take him away to be locked up until he is more cooperative...and administer a drug which eliminates his short term memory....every few minutes his short term memory is wiped clean...ha ha thinks his captors - he is no risk now. Just before the drug is administered our hero thinks up a little checklist - the last thing he will remember - something like : stop...look around...think...

      It turns out he meant to be captured all along because his job is to rescue the important person (boffin) held in the complex...he escapes his cell....interesting point is his memory gets wiped just as he is getting in to the air duct and he's not sure if he's coming or going...decides on the basis of the scresw position I think...

      Find the boffin, makes his escape, series of memory wipes in the process...has a memory wipe as he is running towards a plane to escape in with the boffin over his shoulder, being shot at, and thinks it's pretty obvious what's happening now!

      Finally takes off and back to safety...after a few hours flight he realises he's had no memory wipes recently so the drug has worn off....an escape and a resuce and he can't remember how he did it.

      Ta da! The end.

      Now I'd be impressed (but not surprised) if someone is able to identify this (and/or correct my more excessive errors)

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  4. Re:Philip K Dick by twiddlingbits · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To take that concept one more step read Kiln People by David Brin. You can make an infinite number of clones of yourself that each last a few hours to a few days, and if you wish you can download the memories the clone experiences during his/her "life". So if the clone does something illegal, the "owner" has no recollection of it if the clone dies before the memories are downloaded. Excellent book that deals with exactly this question, while disquised as a detective novel.