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Old School Data Mining, Maritime Style?

jason0000042 writes "The BBC is reporting on Cliwoc, the Climatological Database for the World's Oceans, which pulls data about climate change from 18th and 19th Century sailing ships' logbooks. It's like a window in time that could help us better understand global climate change, if they can decipher the olde timey language of the 1750's. Personally, I can't wait to know if we're going to melt down, or alternatively, have an ice age."

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  1. Other stories about Ancient Climates and GW by W32.Klez.A · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Expedition to Tanzania seeks clues about ancient climate

    http://www.smu.edu/newsinfo/releases/99355a.html

    Hunt is on for ancient 'global warming' documents

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_787743.html

  2. This dovetails nicely with... by jsav40 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...the current data being collected by Volunteer Observing Ships today. See: http://www.etl.noaa.gov/programs/oceanobs/ for details. Basically the program combines physical data with old fashioned observation.

  3. The easy solution is pollution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they are worried about the Great Ocean Conveyor giving out in the Labrador Seas due to an increase in freshwater runnoff, (there is evidence to suppor that this happened during one of the last ice ages, when a ice dam broke and billions of gallons of fresh water dumped into the North Atlantic, shutting down the Gulf Stream, and turinng a gradual thaw into a deep freeze,) there is a simple solution, should this be found to be the problem.


    Dump lots of dense, salty crud in the North Atlantic!


    This will help keep the water sinking, drawing more warm water up from the Gulf, and incedentally keep Europe warm. Where to get this water densification material? Why good old fashion pollution, of course.

    Heavy metal salts, and any industrial ionic or polar goop that readily disolves in water can be spread by the tanker load accross the Labrador and Greenland Seas, increasing the density of water, and compensating for the freshwater runnoff that is occuring as a result of global warming.


    The normal quote in industry is "The solution to pollution is dilution" Well, in this case, "The solution to dilution is pollution!"

  4. Re:Warming AND Ice Age by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The basic gyst is that the warming melts Greenland. This diverts the gulf stream; plunging Europe into an Ice Age.

    To be more specific, the meltwater coming off a warmer Greenland will dilute the seawater at the terminus of the Gulf Stream. The Gulf Stream is driven in part by salinity differences (hence the term "thermohaline circulation), and if the dilution reduces the magnitude of these differences too much, then it is possible that the Gulf Stream will shut down. A good introductory discussion of this subject can be found here.

    To see what Europe might be like without the Gulf Stream, consider that the British Isles are at the same approximate latitude as Newfoundland. Brrrrr!

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  5. Aliens Cause Global Warming by mesocyclone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously... this is the title of the Caltech Michelen Lecture, 1/17/2003 by Michael Crichton.

    Since this discussion will lead to the inevitable global warming flap, this paper offers a good viewpoint on the issue (although I disagree with his assertion that SETI is a religion - it isn't - it's an experiment).

    A few quotes:

    Regarding Sagan's claims of nuclear winter:

    Although Richard Feynman was characteristically blunt, saying, "I really don't think these guys know what they're talking about,"

    In my book, if Feynam said it, it was almost certianly true. I used to go to his lectures at Hughes Malibu Research Center and it was an amazing experience. ...and...

    I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.

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