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Making The Case That Voynich Is A Hoax

DeadVulcan writes "The Voynich Manuscript, a mysterious book of uncertain age, is widely believed to be written either in an unknown language or a long-lost encryption scheme. Nature reports that computer scientist Gordon Rugg has demonstrated that it's possible to generate a text like the Voynich manuscript -- containing language-like regularities, despite being potentially meaningless -- using cryptographic techniques of the time. This lends some support to those who claim that the book is a hoax."

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  1. Re:My 2 cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Translation from binary:
    Ich denke sein vermutlich einen

    Translation from German from binary:
    I probably think its one

  2. Google found me this by ElDuque · · Score: 5, Informative


    In case you're wondering what it looks like

    http://www.voynich.nu/

  3. A Hoax? To What End? by WombatControl · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've studied the Voynich manuscript before, and the possibility of a hoax seems just as unlikely as many of the theories that have been floating about. Yes, the language of the Voynich manuscript could be an elaborate hoax, but Rugg's analysis only proves what is already widely known.

    The problem of creating such an elaborate hoax is that even Rugg's theory doesn't explain all the features of the Voynich manuscript. Furthermore, it seems unlikely that a sixteenth-century forger would go to the trouble of creating something that would have all the qualities of a real language and would include techniques that would deliberately resemble an actual document when viewed with analytical techniques that wouldn't be developed later. Occam's Razor makes it seem more likely that there some kind of language operating in the manuscript than a random system of patterns. Then again, there's no real way of knowing.

    There are some images of the text of the Voynich Manuscript available here. Analysis of the text and the illustrations support the theory that the manuscript has defined sections on astrology, herbal medicine, and other subjects. There have been some serious and some rediculous theories about the manuscript from the intriguing notion that the Voynich text is mathematically similar to East Asian languages like Chinese or Vietnamese, or that the Voynich manuscript is written in an ancient form of Ukrainian. (I've read the supposed translation of it from the Ukrainian, and it hardly makes sense given that the manuscript's illustations don't match the text of the supposed translation.)

    In the meantime, this site offers more information on modern translation efforts including a font for the Voynich script. (Which would make a lovely way of annoying co-workers by switching their default system font to Voynich text...)

  4. Author's Page by mlc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Prof. Rugg has a website about his methods and results, which may be of interest.

  5. Here is a better one. by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Informative
    More info is at http://www.voynichinfo.com/

    It has a slow load due to java applets though.

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  6. Re:It's one thing to say something is a hoax... by KjetilK · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone can say anything is a hoax but it takes scientific evidence - actual empirical data - to prove such a claim.

    No. It is the proponents of the idea that the book is genuine's job to prove that it is indeed that. One doesn't need to prove that something is a hoax if it is, Occam's Razor does that job. What explanation is contains the fewest ubstantiated assumptions: That something was written a language nobody knows, containing valuable information nobody has any idea about, or that it was produced using a simple encryption technique to fool somebody to pay loads of shiny ducats?

    For example, people once believed that the Earth was flat (some people still do) but the circumnavigation of the globe by explorers such as Magellan, lunar exclipses, etc provide evidence to the contrary.

    I find it amazing that some people still hold this myth as true! What kind of history education have you had!?!

    Look, no scientist have never claimed the earth was flat. For one thing, in every other culture than the western, it has never been claimed otherwise ("they even knew the earth was spherical"), but some has got the weird notion that Columbus had to argue that the earth wasn't flat.

    He didn't. The moron had the wrong numbers, and would have gotten killed if America didn't happen to be there.

    Allready the pupils of Thales claimed their master knew the earth was round. Erastostenes, measured the circumference of the earth with an error of 3%! The true circumference of the earth was known to the greeks in antiquity! Plato and his pupil Aristotle himself knew many arguments for the spherical shape of the earth, and why is this important? Because though some Christian scholars around 300 AD didn't like the idea of a spherical earth, St. Augustin adopted much of Plato's philosophy and made it an important part of christianity in the same century, and they adopted the ideas of a spherical earth as well. Through Augustin, every leading authority accepted the idea of a spherical earth.

    Eventually, Erastostenes numbers was also accepted , but Columbus didn't like them, because it meant that going the other way to India was infeasible. So, he used some other numbers, and he used Marco Polo's exaggerated estimates of the distance he had travelled, and so he made it quite feasible. But it wasn't, he was wrong.

    Columbus thought the distance to Asia was 4000 km, his contemporary scientists 16000 km, the real distance is 23000 km, while Columbus eventually travelled 6500 km.

    So, why is this important? Because people who hold this belief often have many other misunderstandings about science. Indeed, you can't prove that the book is a hoax, but for that reason, the burden of the proof rests with the proponents of the idea that it is genuine. Who, of course, might cling to the idea that it is, long after the world has moved on to greener pastures. That's how it usually works anyway.

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  7. Re:More information by actiondan · · Score: 3, Informative

    oops. extraneous space in the link. Here's one you just need to click

  8. Your analogy is incomplete by DeadVulcan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Example, my house catches fire. Firefighters are unable to determine the source. The insurance company denies my claim on the grounds that the technology existed to rub two sticks together to generate heat and produce fire.

    Of course, this is ridiculous. But there have been many who claimed that producing a hoax as convincing as the Voynich papers was virtually impossible. Rugg has shown that, at the earliest known date of "discovery," it was possible, and perhaps well worth doing for the price it fetched.

    So, your analogy is incomplete. The insurance company's argument would have some relevance if you had previously been claiming that it was technologically impossible for you to light the fire. They just produced a counter-argument.

    Coming back to the Voynich manuscript, it just means that the possibility of a hoax cannot be ruled out because of the effort required to produce it. Turns out it's not as hard as people thought.

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    1. Re:Your analogy is incomplete by Matthew+Austern · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's no direct evidence that the document is forged. There's also no direct evidence that it's genuine, or even what "genuine" would mean. There are stories vaguely associating it with various interesting people, such as John Dee and Roger Bacon, but they're all pretty vague.

      People have been studying this document for the better part of a century, because it's fascinating, enigmatic, and beautiful. (You can find some pictures of it at www.voynichinfo.com) We know a bit more than we did about what kinds of hypotheses are plausible and what kinds are not. For example: we can be pretty sure that it is not written in any natural language. We can also be pretty sure that it isn't just a simple substitution cipher. Finally, we can be pretty sure that it isn't a 20th century forgery: it has been given a rough date, it really does look like a manuscript from the 15th or 16th century, and it probably was once owned by Rudolf II. The Roger Bacon rumors are almost certainly false, because the manuscript doesn't appear to be that old. The John Dee rumors may be true.

      At present the two most plausible guesses are that it is a real 15th or 16th century treatise on an occult subject, written in a code that has yet to be broken, or that it's a good imitation of an encoded occult text. If the latter, it was probably written specifically for the purpose of fooling Rudolf. It is known that he was fascinated by the occult (there's even an opera where that's a crucial plot point), and it is known that many of the astrologers and alchemists he patronized were quacks and that many of the texts he bought were forgeries.

      What's interesting about this research isn't that it's a new argument against the possibility that the manuscript is genuine, but that it's a good counterargument. Until now, many people argued that the manuscript wasn't likely to be a forgery because the text followed a certain statistical property of natural languages (Zipf's law) that weren't known until the 20th century. Thus, the argument goes, it's unlikely to be a 16th century fake because a 16th century forger, inventing a fake code or a fake language, wouldn't have known to match this statistical distribution.

      The reason this work is interesting is that it shows that this argument is invalid: there is a plausible method that a 16th century forger might have used that might have produced such a document. This doesn't show that it really is a 16th century forgery, it only shows that there's one fewer argument against that possibility than we once believed.

      In the end, of course, we're unlikely to ever have decisive evidence that the manuscript is fake. Either someone will come up with a believable decryption (several people claim to have done it already; none of their claims have stood up), or people will keep trying and failing. The longer scholars bang their heads against the wall trying to get a translation, the less likely people will think it is that there really is one. Messy, but that's the way the world works. Sometimes you don't get to learn for sure whose guess is right.

  9. Re:It's one thing to say something is a hoax... by notfancy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Anyone can say anything is a hoax but it takes scientific evidence - actual empirical data - to prove such a claim.

    No. It is the proponents of the idea that the book is genuine's job to prove that it is indeed that. One doesn't need to prove that something is a hoax if it is, Occam's Razor does that job. What explanation is contains the fewest ubstantiated assumptions: That something was written a language nobody knows, containing valuable information nobody has any idea about, or that it was produced using a simple encryption technique to fool somebody to pay loads of shiny ducats?

    No, to you. Occam's Razor is a heuristic for selecting hypotheses to test. It doesn't relieve you of the burden of proof just because your burden is heavier. You definitely do need to prove that "X is false", if that is the hypothesis you selected based on whatever heuristics you choose.

    Voynich is patently written in an unknown code (i.e., language): that's not an assumption, it's a given for both hypotheses. The first hypothesis (you used the non-synonim "unsubstantiated assumption") is that Voynich has high information content in the algorithmic sense. The second hypothesis is that Voynich has low information content, again in the algorithmic sense. Considerations of value, motive, etcetera are irrelevant to this analysis although they might be of heuristic value for selecting hypotheses, but not for application of Occam's Razor (which is another heuristic).

    To sum it up, you still have the burden of proof, and you can't use heuristics for selecting heuristics.

  10. More information about Voynich by Elonka · · Score: 4, Informative
    On my own list of Famous Unsolved Codes, the Voynich Manuscript is right up there at #2, just under the Beale Ciphers (which also have some pretty compelling arguments that they're a hoax).

    Some other good links for Voynich information:

    • An excellent viewer which lets you quickly see thumbnails of all of the pages at once.
    • A good overview page
    • The Voynich Mailing List - a site maintained by Jim Gillogly (famous for cracking the first few parts of Kryptos).

    Elonka :)