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UK National Archives Divulge Secrets

Sunil Sood writes "Yes, its that time of year again - no, not the New Year but when the UK National Archives release a whole lot of previously "classified" information (many govt papers in the UK, with only a few exceptions, are classified secret for a 'standard' 30 years) As normal, you have the usual combination of the amusing: The design of a coin to mark the UK joining the EEC was changed, after Prince Philip said he did not like the 'little p', and the more serious: it was believed the USA had plans for US airborne troops to seize the oil installations in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in 1973."

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  1. Read through a couple of the articles by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And it makes refrence that British Intel thought it would be likely that the US would invade, not that they were planning a direct attack. Its kind of a misleading headline.

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  2. Re:They're called "plans"... by replicant108 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You are aware, of course, that influential members of the current administration have called for the US to "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars" in order to maintain American military dominance.

    Interestingly, this 'call to arms' was made well before September 11 2001.

    US backs long-planned attack on Syria

  3. Re:FoI act factoid... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Whether it deals with 'aliens' or not is irrelevant - if something is classified, it's classified for a reason.

    I think you overestimate the logic of the Military/Government leaders. Our Government still denied having the B-2 while they were selling models of the damn thing at K-Mart.

    I have two friends who were "nuke troops" in the military (one worked at Whitman AFB and the other was on the USS Maine) -- their standard line was always something like "I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear weapons at...."

    Hell, all the official stats for our ships/planes/weapons are either classified outright or "dumbed down" for the consumption of the general population (our subs dive "in excess of" 500ft and go "in excess of" 20kts) -- even though Janes has information that is somewhat closer to reality. If they have it do you really think the Russians/Chinese/whoever don't?

    Just because it's classified doesn't mean there's a reason. Likewise just because it's classified/not acknowledged doesn't mean it isn't already common knowledge. If it was a large corporation we'd be talking about PHBs and bureaucracy. But because it's the Government it must be a conspiracy of some sort.

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  4. Re:Great idea... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Proof of what?

    All he's saying is that fifty year old military documents are being witheld by the government -- which is true. In fact, many documents are being held back. The FOIA has been weakened greatly since Bush took office, simply by the adminstration's outright refusal to release documents.

    The only proof we have is that the government has documents which they are unwilling to release. The fact that we can't prove anything is exactly the point because we don't have the information to do so.

    There's no conspiracy theory, because there's no information that a conspiracy exists, other than the suspicious reticence of the government. If you can hide all proof that your conspiracy exists, does to not exist anymore?

    You're right to be skeptical of any conspiracy theory claims. But you're foolish to believe that no conspiracy exists because the only information that could prove or disprove it is in the guarded posession of those who would be involved in the conspiracy.

    The FOIA is one of the greatest Acts in American history, IMHO. Information is the ultimate power, and that power should be held by the people. When the government witholds that power, you should be afraid.

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  5. NATO' by October_30th · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As a Finn I found the recently unclassified NATO plans for countering an all-out Warsaw Pact assault here in the north oddly hilarious.

    Nuke the Russian tank divisions with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles while they're still in the process of occupying Finland. Provide military assistance to Sweden and make a stand in Norway and in the northernmost Sweden (for Kiruna and the other mines).

    This is why I am amazed why our last two governments have been talking the public to accept that we must NATO for our safety's sake.

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  6. Re:Anyone remember Plan Orange? by Imperator · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Come to think of it we also went pretty far in antagonizing Japan into going to war with us.

    The US gave Japan an ultimatum: withdraw your troops from China or we'll stop selling you oil. Realpolitik considerations about American business in China aside, pressuring Japan to end their war of conquest and exploit in China was the right thing to do. Japan could have forsworn militarism and ensured their oil supply from America; instead, they chose to expand the war by attacking the US. This was a decision that led to the eventually ruin of Japan. It was a decision made by Japan, not America. It's easy to say "America should have known they'd make that decision" but it apparently wasn't so obvious at the time.

    I'm not generally an apologist for US foreign policy. But in the specific instance you mention, I feel obliged to set the record straight. Whatever the root causes of WWII, America was not trying to goad Japan into war. Japan chose to attack America as part of an expansionist campaign to secure the resources of the East Asia and the Pacific; the terrible consequences of that decision must be laid first and foremost on Japan.

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  7. Re:Great idea... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Please indulge me with your conspiracy theories for my amusement.

    Try googling for Opereration Northwood, one that did get declassified. Basically, your gov. wanted to shoot down civilian planes and shipping to justify a pre-emtive invasion of Cuba. It went all the way up to Kennedy, who was the only one that thought it morally reprehensible, and stopped it.

    Quote from the original document:

    The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

    The sad thing is, this all sounds strangely familiar...

    And remember, this is one of the few that did get declassified. God knows what else your country has done. Despite the image presented by Hollywood, the USA is one of the most morally reprehensible countries on the planet. Your self-denial and ignorance of the problem makes it even worse.