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MP3 Winners and Losers for 2003

An anonymous reader writes "Richard Menta over at MP3newswire.net just posted his annual winners and losers list in digital music for last year. The big winner is Apple for dominating MP3 portable player sales and the dramatic success of its iTunes service. Napster savior Roxio and the small independent record labels also made the winners list. The losers list include SonicBlue and MP3.com. Interestingly, Ogg Vorbis made the losers list, not because of the codec per se, but because iTunes has both catapulted the AAC format to number two and stimulated Microsoft to pour more of its efforts ($$$) into WMA and the iTunes clones, leaving little room left for the open source alternative. The 2001 and 2002 winners list are worth a look too and each have links to that year's losers list."

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  1. True to a point... by tempest303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing to keep in mind, though, is that one of the original arguments against Vorbis adoption was "But all the MP3 hardware out there uses a dedicated MP3 decoder chip, so they can't just 'upgrade the firmware' to support Vorbis", along with countless other arguments that deal with the fact that in any given project, 1 codec is easier to deal with than many.

    Well, because we now have MP3, AAC, and WMA, all becoming popular, that means that instead of hardcoded support for 1 format, any company that's serious about making music software or hardware is probably going to want to support a plugin style architecture, which means that supporting a 4th, 5th, 6th, etc, format becomes much easier, so things like FLAC and Vorbis have one more barrier to entry removed from their paths.

    1. Re:True to a point... by Lshmael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but if no online music stores are using Ogg Vorbis, it is unlikely that consumer demand will increase. As a result, most of the music player companies will not have the impetus to make a Vorbis plugin, hindering it in the "Codec Wars."

    2. Re:True to a point... by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if no online music stores are using Ogg Vorbis...

      This has nothing to do with the popularity of mp3. mp3, like everything else, is more popular simply because it is more popular. It came out 1st, has hardware decoders, and people know what you mean when you say mp3 (a free/cheap music format for my computer, hardware player, etc). People just dont know or care if ogg is better. Also, mp3's were around for _years_ before there were online stores for them.

    3. Re:True to a point... by AstroDrabb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. That is why there are many players that support OGG Vorbis now. Neuros, Rio, IRiver and a buch of others. I personally do not want to be locked into a proprietary format like wma or Apple's AAC. And I would never buy an iPod that limitis what I can do with music I buy. I personally don't understand the Apple Fan Boy mentality. On one hand they cheer Open Source and screem how Apple is now BSD on the inside. Though they over look all of the proprietary Apple formats that are attempts to lock comsumers into Apple. Quicktime, Apple's AAC, their restrictive iPod and iTunes, and just about every product they put out. I personally am sick of companies trying to control what I can do with a product I purchase to further their profits. I will stick to buying a CD and legally ripping it to OGG and playing it on a portable player like the Neuros that supports it. Read this quickly, because soon Apple Fan Boys will be along and wet their pants and mod this as a troll.

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    4. Re:True to a point... by AstroDrabb · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Perhaps 1,000 people have significantly large enough Vorbis music collections to warrant an Ogg compatible player.
      Do you have the link to where you got those stats? I guess all these device makers supported OGG for only 1,000 people. How many portable devices support Apple's DRM'ed AAC format again? Just incase I am not happy with an iPod, it is good to know I have choice in the market place. We all know how much Apple supports consumer choice.
      The openess of free software
      Yes because Sorensen is so open, Apple's DRM'ed AAC is so open or OS X is so open...
      with the polish of proprietary excellence.
      Do you work for Apple? That is the biggest piece of marketing BS I have ever heard. Proprietary != excellence. As a developer I have worked with and deployed tons of proprietary software, some costing in excess of 25 Million that were not "polished proprietary excellence". IMO, OS X is not "polished proprietary excellence" either.
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    5. Re:True to a point... by stuartkahler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to have a definition of 'lossy' that is heavily biased against digital formats, and uninformed. Any analog copy loses signal quality from the original sampling. Film doesn't count individual photons, and audio recordings always drop fidelity above a certain frequency. I've yet to see someone make an atom by atom copy of film, audio tape, or grooved record, thus losing information present in the original. Anyone who has ever been to an unamplified concert knows that there is no recording that will sound as good as hearing the instruments live. No photo will ever capture the color and detail of seeing the object live (extreme examples of optical manipulation notwithstanding). Any time there is a conversion, there will be loss.

      The term 'lossy', in regard to information storage, refers to any format that intentionally discards existing data in a particular manner in order to fit into the medium more easily. Non-lossy digital formats would include tiff (I think), rle and bmp (both picture formats), or shn and wav (audio formats). You can convert between non-lossy formats, and get back identical data each time. Just because something is digital doesn't mean it's 'lossy'. Jpg, mpg and mp3 are all lossy because the codecs intentionally fudge data in order to make it fit into a smaller data file. When they're doing a good job, you lose less information than you would when making an analog copy. CDs aren't 'lossy'. They simply have a dynamic range and sampling rate that is narrower than the best analog recording mediums. In the analog world, you can do a lot worse than CD audio.

      By your argument, VHS or Betamax would be a better quality than the digital projector systems that George Lucas and others are trying to get theaters to adopt. Or that a 6 megapixel camera is worse image quality than an SLR with bargain basement film and crappy lens.

  2. NAPSTER? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't know how they can be considered a winner. Quite frankly, the only think they have going for them is their logo. Everybody and his uncle is setting up a store to sell WMA downloads, and Steve Jobs has stated that profits are almost non-existant.

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  3. Not surprising that OGG was turn down. by Krapangor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    DRM is coming.
    Yes, we'll all start to whine and complain but there is no way to stop it.
    Without DRM to whole business chain of the entertainment industry is fucked. So they'll enforce it.

    With this background fact, you won't wonder that OGG was turned down. The encryption shemes will make sure that the song only play on certificated players. However a player which supports formats which can be used to illegal copies will never get such a certification. So the manufacturers will avoid these formats at all cost.

    When you watch this development the original movitivation of the OGG development team seems to very naive and economically clueless. While there might be some niche applications for OGG, it will be useless for the downtrodden masses. Basically the development of OGG has merely an academic value.

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  4. A Missing Loser? by illuminata · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How come there was no mention of Emusic on the loser list? They switched to a much more restrictive user agreement and had a mass exodus of their subscribers.

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  5. Sorry - YOU have lost. by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For choosing WMA, for endorsing WMV.

    Why?

    Because Microsoft isn't a team player. There is no real technical benefit to WMA or WMV: All the 'next gen' codecs are better (ogg, wma, aac) than mp3, so the only real advantage to WMA is secondary.

    Do you trust Microsoft? I don't. By using WMA, you give them more power and more clout, and like any big organization with the power to dictate international and national standards... I don't trust them. Unless of course you *like* paying taxes. Instead of money, though, Microsoft collects in marketshare and power.

    Anyway, I hope you like living in a Microsoft future... I'm trying to avoid that, myself.

  6. Re:ITMS is the true winner by fastidious+edward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    The big winner is Apple for dominating MP3 portable player sales and the dramatic success of its iTunes service.

    The dramatic success is Apple using its iTunes service to promote its iPod. iTunes has made a miniscule amount, purely a leader for the iPod. The iPod was here before iTunes, iTunes was envisaged as a way to make iPods more successful. iTunes was as much as a breakthrough on the music distribution scene as MP3 players were on the musical device scene were, but iPod deserves the praise, if iTunes weren't here another would have filled the gap, iPod and other MP3 players created the inertia and it is them that should get the praise.

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  7. I know who loses... by vudufixit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The consumer - we get sued, screwed, and DRM'd out of our right to enjoy the music we purchase the way we want to.

  8. Re:Sorry - WMA has won. by Zigg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    About the only reason to use MP3 anymore is if you're married to Linux/MacOS.

    No, the only reason to use WMA is if you're married to Windows. You won't get much use out of it outside that little circle...

  9. Ogg Vorbis lost the day they chose the name by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be honest, it is one of the stupidest names I have ever heard. I'd feel embarassed about telling someone about my "Ogg Vorbis" collection.

  10. Re:Proposition for a portable device by Xyde · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That's the most stupid idea I've ever heard.

    The MP3/AAC licensing costs are miniscule compared to the cost of the rest of the components. It's probably in the range of 50c - $1 per device, or less.The cost of the RAM/HD is 100x any licensing costs.

    The file transfers would be disgustingly slow because of the overhead required to transcode every file to the machine. And it would need proprietary software to put music on it (to do the transcoding) which is one of the few complaints people have about the iPod.

    Vorbis is nice, but it is inferior, sound quality wise to WMA Pro, AAC, and MusePack, and it's never going to be popular (in a marketshare sense). I know it hurts to hear it, but it's true.