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CD-Rs and MP3s Not Hurting Record Sales

David Gerard writes "Forget the industry shills' spin - the numbers prove that, for Australia, CD-Rs and MP3s are not hurting record sales in the slightest - based on a recent Australian Record Industry Association survey. It would be interesting to see what the numbers for the US or UK say."

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  1. mp3s helped my sales! by acefantastik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yep, my band has had a bunch of sales becausepeople can hear it free on my site, and I welcome trading. If you can hear it before you pay for it, and you like it, chances are you'll pay for it. I have several more dollars for beer and guitar strings due to internet sales. Thanks, Al Gore!

  2. Has any article metioned this by Dcboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has any article mentioned that while music sales for 2003 were lower than those of 2002, less new albums were also released in 03 than in 02

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  3. aussie aussie aussie by SinaSa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can I just say, as an Australian I'm really enjoying all the sudden attention that the Australian nerd news has been getting on /.? It's great! Seriously though, I can vouch for this. Most of my friends are stubbornly insistent on buying their favourite bands new album as opposed to letting me download it and burn it for them. Most Australian bands are releasing their albums with a bonus dvd, or a bonus cd with extra stuff like live show video clips, etc. This is the kind of thing that stops people using Kazaa or BitTorrent MP3 sites. They are loyal to whichever band, and that free poster that comes with the CD is something you can't download off the 'net.

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  4. Re:Does it matter? by MartinG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not that I neccesarily disagree, but can you explain why copyright infringement is wrong in this case. (without saying "because it's illegal")

    Don't forget that copyright is a means to an end. If its not achieving that end and it's only effect is to prevent the spread of information then it's doing more harm than good. (I use the term information loosely)

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  5. Re:What can we use this "proof" for? by Scarblac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is important to show this, because at the moment some extremely draconian laws are being implemented, huge jail terms for downloading music. Their given justification is that downloading music hurts the industry so much, that something like that is necessary.

    But of course, you believe that just because something is morally wrong, that immediately justifies absolutely any punishment that a law could give for it.

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  6. Basic wrong assumption. by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Interesting


    The music, software and all such industry assumes, that piracy - scenario:

    Customer with product - Producer without money

    replaces classic "sale" scenario:

    Customer with product - Producer with money

    In fact, it usually replaces a different scenario:

    Customer without product - Producer without money

    The industry loses nothing at all. If they want $30 for a CD album, I won't buy that album. Simple as that. And doesn't matter if I downloaded it or not, they wouldn't see my money ever. At best, I will be pissed off at their ridiculous price and refuse to buy it later when it's cheaper, simply because I don't support thieves (yep, I mean what I just said!)

    But when I download the album, another situation appears. They may gain one, rather esotheric thing from me: Gratitude. Maybe I'll buy some crappy product of theirs, just to support them in the future, just to express my thanks. Maybe I will buy "colector's edition" of what I copied earlier. Just because I like it so much.
    Under one condition: They can't piss me off before that. If I hear about stupid lawsuits, sites closed due to ridiculous copyright issues, evil marketing techniques - then, sorry. I'll gladly make a copy for my friends: "Hey, don't support that assholes with your money, get a copy instead!"

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  7. Re:Exactly! by gantrep · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure that I can believe that the only places available to you to buy music legitimately do not have the kind of music you like. Yeah, when I walk into walmart or target, I'm generally pretty disgusted with the selection, but there are easy-to-find better music venues all over. I just bought two non-riaa cd's from Borders, an underground hip-hop cd on the Definitive Jux label, and a disc of idm/glitch beats on Warp Records. Not only that, but there's a great chain of used, new and local music stores around here that caters to even more unusual tastes than mine. This is Nebraska, and what one would expect to be the low-end of selection as far as music-scenes go, is really quite good. I find it hard to believe the "I just can't find what I like" excuse. Unless you only listen to Polish grindcore or Japanese polka, you're probably not looking hard enough. Do your research so you don't get tricked into buying a one-good-track cd, and then pull out the phonebook. Someone in your area probably sells it. Failing that, try the INTERNET! Amazon is a great resource.

  8. Re:Uhhh ARIA said different. by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ... lower prices ...

    I don't know what planet you're on, but I'm struggling to find these mythical "lower prices" I hear rumored.

    Yesterday I saw
    • at a retail music store
    • an actual current release album
    • with one CD (ie not a 2 or 3 CD set)
    • for (australian) $39 and change (for the USians out there, that translates to ~$30 US at current exchange rates)
    To my amazement I found that:
    • it was not diamond encrusted
    • it was not made of solid gold
    • it did not include oral sex from the cute chick at the counter
    I for one am struggling to find the value-for-money in this proposed transaction, so The Music Industry should not in any way be surprised to see "lower than expected sales" when they pitch suck LOONEY prices.

    Keep in mind, people....
    • a CD weighs approximately 0.56oz
    • An ounce of WEED (pot/hash/marijuana) can cost as little as $50
    • Those CDs you purchase cost ~$53/oz (ie more than pot)
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  9. Re:preaching to the choir by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ya, but what about the days you worked your ass off and made less than him?

    I *never* worked my ass off and made less than him. At least, in the muffler business, laziness gets quickly beat out by the market itself. People want their cars fixed *now* and don't have time to wait. If you want to slog your way through the job, work less and get paid more, it's just not going to happen.

    I've put out what I consider a half-assed effort and still made more than him. :) The only time I made less than him was on the slow days when it was just the luck of the draw. On any busy day, I beat him hands down, and usually topped the shop. In a different shop, in the same company, I didn't top the shop every time it was busy because there was real competition with the other mechanics. In that place, I found that I made more money being a team player than fighting over work. If I helped a guy out on a job, he wouldn't have a problem helping me out when I needed it. More, he would even be willing to give up a job or two on a slow day to give me beer money or whatever, because he knows he can depend on my help.

    Cutthroat competition can be fun, but isn't usually the best way to get the job done. :)

    The formula never changes: volume is where the money is. It's volume that makes manufacturing work in the first place! Without volume, there'd be no need!

    Now, I certainly sympathize with your statement about the printing industry, and it is a different ballgame than mechanic work. But in the end, it's still volume that pays the bills, pays the workers, puts food on the table, and so forth. Sure, when it's busy you might be inclined to pass up the small print run. Then, when it's slow, you can be certain the small print run won't come back to you when you need it. They'll remember how they were snubbed when you were busy. Passing up work for short-term gain always screws you in the long run, and the simple fact is, you can't pass up any work. Every piece of work you accept will affect you when it gets slow. In fact, by definition, the more work you take, the less slow you are. :)

    So, yeah, I can see the real business problem of passing up the small job for the big job. But it will bite you on the ass. Winter doesn't have to be biting. It's always slow in the winter. Hell, plenty of times I had work in the winter because I didn't pass up the work in the summer. That same guy didn't have any work when it got slow, and there were quite a few times when people showed up and asked for me to work on their car because I didn't pass them up for more money.

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