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DVD-Jon Completely Clear

A reader writes: "The case against DVD-Jon was finally ended today. DVD-Jon won the first trial on the 6th of January 2003. The Norwegian Okokrim appealed but Jon also won the new trial the 22. December. It was expected that Okokrim would appeal this decission to the Supreme Court, but today Nettavisen is reporting that Okokrim have decided not to pursue the case further. No news in English yet, but they will probably be there soon. I guess the news will be on in English soon." Okokrim is the Norwegian equivalent to the RIAA here in the States - and yes, Virginia, this means DVD back-up is fully legal in Norway. Spelling updates - thanks, Disillusioned.

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  1. Good news for Norway. by Meat+Blaster · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I'm kind of surprised they were able to try him twice. What about double-jeopardy? Doesn't this system run the risk of financially ruining a defendant with lawsuits?

    Can anybody who speaks Swedish translate the article for us?

    1. Re:Good news for Norway. by JanneM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Common mistake to mix up Norwegian and Swedish. That said, a Swedish speaker could translate it with little trouble; the Nordic languages are close enough that a native speaker of Swedish, Norwegian or Danish can understand written text of the others with some difficulty. Icelandic is a lot tougher, at least for Swdish speakers.

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  2. Re:Okokrim is NOT the equivalent of the RIAA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not to mention its the *MPAA* not the *RIAA* that has a big problem with DVD backups in the US.

  3. MODERATORS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please don't mod up people who have links to Nero-online in their sigs. It may not be a goatse/tubgirl yet but you must have got the general idea by now. In fact don't mod up people who do that, even if he has switched sigs by the time you read this. Oh yes, how clever *roll*

  4. Circumvention of encryption legal now? by Groote+Ka · · Score: 4, Insightful
    and yes, Virginia, this means DVD back-up is fully legal in Norway.

    And apparently, circumvention of encryption for that purpose is legal as well.

    Under old law, that is. Norway, as an EFTA (European Free Trade Association) member is obliged to implement some EU legislation like the European Copyright Directive related to aspects of the Information Society.
    This piece of law requires local governments to implement in national legislation that circumvention of copyright protection is illegal. And it was not implemented at the date of the alledged (but apparently not committed) crime.

    So although this has been an interesting case, it seems rather irrelevant to me for the future of DeCSS.

    In summary: No appeal. So what? We're right back at the start.

    1. Re:Circumvention of encryption legal now? by plj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So although this has been an interesting case, it seems rather irrelevant to me for the future of DeCSS.

      No, not for the future of DeCSS itself, because traditionally Scandinavians never apply new laws retroactively - or well, at least this is the case in Finland, but I suppose Norway and Sweden are somewhat similar. So: as DeCSS is legal under present law, it will be forever.

      But for the circumventability of future DRM technologies, yes.

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  5. Re:The root of the RIAA problem lie in the 1920ies by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it comes to that Jefferson warned that large corporations were the most serious threat to liberty all the way back in the late 1700's.

    American inheritence tax was originally concieved not, primarily, as a means of deriving funds for the state, but rather to prevent the formation of multigenerational capitalist aristocracies which could wield power greater than the government.

    Well, we see how well that worked out.

    KFG

  6. Re:Okokrim is NOT the equivalent of the RIAA! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unlike the US counterparts, the Norwegian Okokrim suffers from low-to non-existant computer skills, equipment and insight, and rely heavily on using consultants. Which usually are no better than the police boss that picks the consultants.

    Don't assume this is "unlike the US" at all. The level of ignorance, Luddism, and outright hysteria on the part of the US legal system toward any kind of high-tech problem is really shocking. I don't think that I'm exaggerating when I say that most of what most cops, prosecutors, and politicians know about what what might broadly be called "computer crime" comes from watching War Games nigh on twenty years ago and thinking it was a documentary.

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  7. Re:I'm sure he has a real name by aborchers · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Imagine: you just sent out your resume for your dream job, you're qualified, your application is filled out perfectly, and the news comes on that a guy with the same first and last name as yours just shot the president...


    Kind of like when the actor Mark David Chapman showed up to audition for the part of John Lennon in the TV movie of his life? Yoko Ono went ballistic, so the (apocryphal?) story goes...

    I've noticed that the FML name thing is done for criminals in general, and I'd always wondered about it. Your theory makes about as much sense as any I could conceive of...

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  8. Migration to the USA by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But, will this common sense judgement migrate to US courts..

    I doubt it.

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  9. Okokrim is not the same as RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Norweigian RIAA is called TONO.
    Okokrim is the Norweigian Police White Collar crimes unit.

  10. Re:news is getting around... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HA! Not understanding an issue never stopped them from discussing it before. The mainstream "American Press" frequently "elaborates on issues" without a clue what they're talking about. Some typical myths the "American Press" insists on blindly perpetuating:

    DeCSS is used to make copies of DVDs.

    Patently false. As you've already pointed out, CSS is used to prevent a movie from playing on "unapproved" playback systems. DeCSS is used to play those unplayable movies. It never comes into play in the copying process which is why pirate DVDs have been available since DVDs were introduced to the market.

    Kazaa is an illegal music sharing site.

    Patently false. While many people use it to share illegal music files, KaZaa is a client for accessing a p2p network which can be used to share ANY files, legitimate or not (and it's not a "site"...).

    The music industry has said that "xyz" is legal/illegal....

    Terribly misleading. Who cares what the music industry says is legal? When I have to stand before Cary Sherman for judgement in a courtroom (god help us all), I'll give a crap what the music industry says is legal.

    An "Internet Virus" has been loosed...

    ...in reference to a virus that only affects one platform (typically, Windows).

    mp3s are illegally copied music files that Internet users share.

    My god.. I don't even know where to start with this tripe.

    To sum it all up, the American Press is just as technologically retarded as the typical American Citizen, so it works out pretty well in the end for selling newspapers and magazines.

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