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VIA/Apex Game Console Details Leaked
DammiTT writes "It seems that Apex are releasing a new PC-based 'console', using VIA components, later this year. It'll be announced during CES on January 8th." However, HardOCP already has some initial pictures and details up on its site, for this "ApeXtreme Personal Gaming Console and DVD Player", or PGC. According to this early, unconfirmed report, it's running a 1.4Ghz VIA chipset, the CN400, and "will be powered by a near-instant-on version of WinXP (embedded) with Windows Media Player, and... will have removable media in the form of DVD/CD." It comes with "a 40GB IDE hard drive... you can play DVD movies, audio and video CDs... [and] the price points will be at US$299 and US$399."
I've always been a fan of Apex, and this looks fun. Competition for the Xbox with configurable, customizable components? And support for PC games? I'm all for it. It's about time we see something that isn't proprietary.
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see a marketplace where modded X-boxes used to be? Makes me wonder....
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Dumb question. Couldn't you pick up a full PC for that price by the time this thing comes out? Wouldn't that also give you a wider library of games?
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One has to wonder when the completely overused and tired X will be phased out. I for one would be happier if the marketing people would find something just a tad more innovative. X is so overused - bleh!
The reason it has an embedded version of Windows XP is so you can play PC games on it. This is a game console. I see no benefit of Linux on this system. If you want a cheap workstation build a cheap workstation. You could probably do it chaper and better than this box anyway.
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Competition for the Xbox with configurable, customizable components?
Configurable, customizable components cause console crashes.
Consoles "just work" because the games know the exact quirks of the fixed hardware they run on. Console games don't have the incompatibilities with video cards, incompatibilities with CPU models, and even incompatibilities with optical drives that PC games tend to have.
MAME CONSOLE BITCH!
Seriously, I don't think it will take very long at all before some enterprising individual or group of individuals starts homebrewing their own Mame32 CD for this baby. Think about it. It has a special version of WinXP, that means access to the Win32 API. It will also mean standardized hardware.
Something like that will make the system marketable to grandparents and uncles. People who have no interest in Max Payne or GTA VC just might want to play Burger Time or Space Invaders.
Now, we just need for the owners of the copyrights to those old games to come to the table to negotiate licensing. Even if they don't I'm sure that something like this will sping up eventually anyway.
LK
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Considering that:
1- The Xbox, with all its "mighty" Microsoft DRM was made to run linux.
2- It's a PC that, according to the article, geatures a non-proprietary formatting, standard USB ports, ethernet ports and whatnot.
3- comes from a manufacturer that allows you to disable region-coding on its DVD players just by hitting a couple buttons on the remote.
4- does not have any real hopes of signing up the big game developers (especially not japaneese behemoths like SquareEnix, Capcom or Konami)
I think they definitely want their units to be hacked to death. And if they don't, they are blind, ignorant fools. I mean, this is obviously the ultimate set top box. Wireless gamepads? Please! More like wireless remotes...
You could stream media from your computer, install mythTV and record your favorite tv shows, back them up to the computer over ethernet, emulate old arcade/console games. Basically everything the Xbox can do, only more and better thanks to the increased amount of ram and cpu speed. The possibilities are too many to list.
It would be funny if I got it all wrong and this becomes the next ps2...
- The spec is not that great. Developments in graphics and CPU are mostly driven by the games industry (do you really need a Radeon 9600 to run Word?), and from what I've heard, all future consoles from the Big Three will have specs that make 1.4GHz look a little lame. Hell, 1.4GHz is only twice as fast as the Xbox processor. The minimum spec for next-gen consoles is an order of magnitude higher than their current ones. At 1.4GHz, it wouldn't be able to run many of today's PC games, let alone the ones to come 5 years hence (the length of the usual console lifecycle).
- "The OS will not be locked down." A critical key to the success of any console is publisher support, and publishers will not support a console that does not have reasonable copy-protection. If the OS is not locked down, then copy-protection goes out the window.
- Who? Via may be famous for their PC hardware, but that is not the same thing as knowing how to run a games console company. They'll have to work
very hard to convince publishers that they're a credible competitor for the Big Three. You could argue that Microsoft (and indeed Sony) were in the same position when they started, but I think they had enough money to throw at that problem.
As the HardOCP article suggests, this could be a kick-ass DivX box, for watching all your media on a big TV. Well, I sure hope so, because you won't be playing many games on it.An open OS also screws up the business model of all console manufacturers, which is to get royalties from licensed publishers. Why would publishers bother to get a license if anyone can write software for it?
> $300.. my graphic card alone cost that much.. getting ripped off from Nvidia and ATI here.
Who modded this insightful? It is obviously a troll.... if you are paying $300 for a graphics card, you are getting a premium product, at a premium price.
Why should this be surprising?
$300 NV/ATI offerings are years ahead of anything S3 has to offer. Here is a massive benchmark that includes (presumably) the best S3 has to offer.
If you want something superior to that S3, look at NV/ATI's offerings in the $100-200 range. There's pleny of options for any need.
If you want a recommendation, based on current market prices, I would go with either a 9200 (for casual gaming/video) or a 9600 pro (for moderate gaming).
9800 would be a step up if you have a need for it, but really only necessary if you want to do 1600x resolution with the latest games.
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You can disagree and not be disagreeable, but apparently that's not your... Uh. Style.
I'm not going to call your post 'dumb', but we certainly have a difference of perspective and opinion.
We'll have to wait and see about the video quality won't we? Last I checked, Apex has never used Via components before (unless you know otherwise). Via's Epia quality is excellent. I should know - I've installed at least 6 of the Nehemiah-based Epia's here where I work. Simply beautiful design. Perhaps this is the very reason why both companies decided to work together on this project.
As to the physical design, my point was that it is designed as an entertainment component rather than your average beige box. Sure, you can get a small form factor machine but the cases alone are very expensive for what you get IMHO.
I'm *not* assuming about the "wide open" part. If you read the article you would have noticed that this is being marketed as being hackable.
Where Valve is concerned, well EVERY video game manufacturer deals with card/gfx manufacturer issues. When you're as big as Valve you can expect companies to design their chips and drivers around your game - to an extent. But what about the old cards still floating around? Only a small percentage of people out there are going to actually run out and buy a new gfx card just to play a certain game.
Example: Valve spent months trying to get decent framerates on GeForce FX hardware because of their poor pixel shader implemementation. Gee, why'd they do that? Why didn't they just 'let it go' at 20 FPS? Because they knew quite a few customers out there have this series of cards.
And what's with this assertion that DeltaChrome is 'shitty'? For what purpose? I've seen the test results, and it's certainly no Radeon 9800XT, but consider that you'll be dealing with lower resolutions on TV. Even on 480i HDTV. So then, the difference becomes running Quake III at 400+ FPS on some top of the line card or around 80-100 FPS on the S3. Wow. Funny, I didn't notice the difference either.
How about thinking things through before YOU post next time?
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