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FBI Can Inspect Bank Records w/o Court Orders

AlexZander writes: "Thankfully, the so-called 'Patriot Act II' was discovered last year and the public outcry that ensued was enough to get the bill tossed out the window. One of the goals of that act, however, has made it into law under the radar of the community at large. However, on December 13th, President Bush signed Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 (the relevant section is 374) into law, which among other things, grants the FBI the power to obtain financial information without a court order from a judge. It also expands the definition of 'financial information' to include car dealerships, jewelry stores, insurance companies, and other stretches of the definition of 'financial institution'. Wired News has the story here."

"The best parts about this is that the law prevents the business that gives up the information to the FBI from telling their customer about the request. Oh, that and the new law only requires a "national security letter" from a field agent stating that the information reqested is part of an investigation relevant to national security.

Yikes!"

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  1. Way ahead of you. by sparklingfruit · · Score: 5, Funny

    I pre-ordered my 21" telescreen yesterday, I bought myself a newspeak dictionary and enrolled my daughter in the Junior Anti-Sex League.

    1. Re:Way ahead of you. by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get ready to be saying "The U.S. is at war with Iran. The U.S. has always been at war with Iran."

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  2. Tinfoil hats by bathmatt · · Score: 5, Funny

    They may be able to read my bank records, but they cant read my mind thanks to my tinfoil hat.

  3. Re:Nobody wants it, yet we get it by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 5, Funny


    Exactly! We should vote for the candidates who promise to "do the right thing" and "work for us" and kick out those who promise to "screw us over at every opportunity."

  4. That's it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm moving to Canada. As soon as the temperature reaches (40-32)*5/9 degree C there and the snow is gone.

  5. Re:who's to blame? by stubear · · Score: 2, Funny

    For my money I would have quoted School House Rock, not Legally Blonde 2. Bad move there.

  6. Yeesh. by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
    It also expands the definition of 'financial information' to include car dealerships, jewelry stores, insurance companies

    ...yeah, because if there's one thing we know about the archetypical terrorist, it's that they frequent frickin' jewelry stores.

    Y'know, so they can maintain their secular lifestyles of lavish excess. Their jihad-oriented faith demands bling-bling.

    This way, they can crush the infidel Western capitalists in style.

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  7. Re:Nobody wants it, yet we get it by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's a brilliant fucking formula! Still, I'm attracted to those who would abuse me, so I can't help myself...

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  8. Re:Terrorist Clause by Saeger · · Score: 4, Funny
    So maybe they're legally prevented from verbally informing me if I'm being snooped on, but can they still do what my friendly librarian does by giving me a *wink**wink* along with a complimentary Asscroft bookmark?

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  9. Re:Nobody wants it, yet we get it by Ralph+Yarro · · Score: 2, Funny

    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Remember, these people are not on your side.

    Speak for yourself, Sheep ;)

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  10. Re:Nobody wants it, yet we get it by haystor · · Score: 2, Funny

    And me. Vote for me and I promise you a whole new set of original government problems to complain about.

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  11. Is all this really necessary? by mabu · · Score: 3, Funny

    With all those personalized credit cards they have now. If you're a pet owner you can get a Yorkshire Terrier picture on your credit card; scuba divers have their DAN credit cards, etc. I think Citibank should come out with the "Terrorist VISA" card, perhaps with a picture of Saddam or Osama on it, maybe a burning US flag or something. Of course, all the terrorists will apply for the new Citibank Terrorist VISA and then we'll know exactly who they are!

  12. Re:I'm so sick of hearing "if you are innocent..." by beta21 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thats right...if you are innocent none of this should worry you

    Go ahead search my house, I'm innocent

    Look at my bank records, I'm innocent

    preform an anal cavity search, I'm...woah there!

  13. Re:Nobody wants it, yet we get it by Dark$ide · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...because they hide these kind of crap laws inside dissimilar bills, in this case an appropriations bill. It's time to think about who you're going to vote for in 2004.

    So who is left after you discount both the Republicans and the Democrats?
    Is H. Ross Perot standing this time?

    I've got a nice Tony B-Liar that you can have. (You're welcome to him, please take him and save the UK from a degree of crap!)

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  14. Re:It's already being heavily used... by KFury · · Score: 3, Funny

    All that Vegas intelligence and they still couldn't stop Britney from getting married...

  15. Re:Same clause as in PATRIOT. by shut+up+I'm+talkin · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I tattle on you will that make me a point of light?

  16. Re:Call me a spinless, communist.... by DynamiteNeon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since you seem so comfortable opening up so long as it isn't "illegal," I suppose that means you wouldn't mind if I came to your house and video taped you and your wife having sex.

    I mean, it's not anything illegal right, so why should you care?

  17. Give us time. by khasim · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait until the election is over. We still have time.

  18. Re:Terrorist Clause by Petronius · · Score: 3, Funny

    so who are the 6 between Dubya and Bin Laden?

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  19. Re:Nobody wants it, yet we get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Of course, the same guy pointed out that the polls are anonymous so no one can actually force you to vote the way you are expected to.

    Until the Diebold machines are finished getting installed..