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Feds Want to Tap VoIP

An anonymous reader writes "From the Globe and Mail: The FBI and the U.S. Justice Department have renewed their efforts to wiretap voice conversations carried across the Internet. Federal and local police rely heavily on wiretaps. In 2002, the most recent year for which information is available, police intercepted nearly 2,200,000 conversations with court approval, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. Wiretaps for that year cost taxpayers $69.5 million, and approximately 80 per cent were related to drug investigations."

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  1. Bound to happen... by soapbox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, because there are some legitimate reasons to tap communications of any sort (as in, got a judge to OK it), I figure that it was bound to happen at some point. Though it still creeps me out and makes me eagerly anticipate a nice encrypted VoIP client...

  2. That's why we have crypto! by jrockway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's why I'll continue to encrypt all important (and unimportant!) conversations. For email I always use GPG (regardless of how important the message is). For VoIP, if I ever use it, I'll be sure to send the voice data through encrypted channels. Frankly, there's no excuse for not encrypting everything. Let them make laws; beat them with the tech.

    And when they outlaw the tech, remember that you can learn how to write encryption software yourself. See Ciphersaber. There you'll learn to write your very own crypto code, and you'll remember how to do it again. I did it a few months ago and could still code something decent up :)

    So don't worry about this. Just encrypt, and when encryption becomes illegal send lots of random data (netcat /dev/urandom) to your friends :) That will never be illegal, and encrypted data is the same as random data without the key!

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  3. Mandatory Zimmermann Quote: by Pyro226 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's personal. It's private. And it's no one's business but yours. You may be planning a political campaign, discussing your taxes, or having a secret romance. Or you may be communicating with a political dissident in a repressive country. Whatever it is, you don't want your private electronic mail (email) or confidential documents read by anyone else. There's nothing wrong with asserting your privacy. Privacy is as apple-pie as the Constitution.

    The right to privacy is spread implicitly throughout the Bill of Rights. But when the United States Constitution was framed, the Founding Fathers saw no need to explicitly spell out the right to a private conversation. That would have been silly. Two hundred years ago, all conversations were private. If someone else was within earshot, you could just go out behind the barn and have your conversation there. No one could listen in without your knowledge. The right to a private conversation was a natural right, not just in a philosophical sense, but in a law-of-physics sense, given the technology of the time.

    But with the coming of the information age, starting with the invention of the telephone, all that has changed. Now most of our conversations are conducted electronically. This allows our most intimate conversations to be exposed without our knowledge. Cellular phone calls may be monitored by anyone with a radio. Electronic mail, sent across the Internet, is no more secure than cellular phone calls. Email is rapidly replacing postal mail, becoming the norm for everyone, not the novelty it was in the past.

    Until recently, if the government wanted to violate the privacy of ordinary citizens, they had to expend a certain amount of expense and labor to intercept and steam open and read paper mail. Or they had to listen to and possibly transcribe spoken telephone conversation, at least before automatic voice recognition technology became available. This kind of labor-intensive monitoring was not practical on a large scale. It was only done in important cases when it seemed worthwhile. This is like catching one fish at a time, with a hook and line. Today, email can be routinely and automatically scanned for interesting keywords, on a vast scale, without detection. This is like driftnet fishing. And exponential growth in computer power is making the same thing possible with voice traffic.

    Perhaps you think your email is legitimate enough that encryption is unwarranted. If you really are a law-abiding citizen with nothing to hide, then why don't you always send your paper mail on postcards? Why not submit to drug testing on demand? Why require a warrant for police searches of your house? Are you trying to hide something? If you hide your mail inside envelopes, does that mean you must be a subversive or a drug dealer, or maybe a paranoid nut? Do law-abiding citizens have any need to encrypt their email?

    What if everyone believed that law-abiding citizens should use postcards for their mail? If a nonconformist tried to assert his privacy by using an envelope for his mail, it would draw suspicion. Perhaps the authorities would open his mail to see what he's hiding. Fortunately, we don't live in that kind of world, because everyone protects most of their mail with envelopes. So no one draws suspicion by asserting their privacy with an envelope. There's safety in numbers. Analogously, it would be nice if everyone routinely used encryption for all their email, innocent or not, so that no one drew suspicion by asserting their email privacy with encryption. Think of it as a form of solidarity.

    Senate Bill 266, a 1991 omnibus anticrime bill, had an unsettling measure buried in it. If this non-binding resolution had become real law, it would have forced manufacturers of secure communications equipment to insert special "trap doors" in their products, so that the government could read anyone's encrypted messages. It reads, "It is the sense of Congress that providers of electronic communications services and manufacturers of electronic communications se

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  4. Re:Law Enforcement and Technology by occupant4 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sounds fine to me; We have to keep our law enforcement departments up to date with technology. I would gladly trade my privacy in silly conversations for the safety of a secured America. The only people who don't like this stuff are people who have something to hide.

    That's nice for you, but I wouldn't trade my privacy in silly conversations for the (illusion of) safety in America. Neither would a lot of other people. The problem is, you can't just trade your privacy by endorsing wiretaps. You're trading everyone's privacy. Perhaps you'd like to write a letter allowing the government to listen to all the conversations they want, read your emails, and rifle through your files, but don't speak for the rest of the country.

  5. Re:Can I be the first to say... by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole point of the article is that the FBI does not want to actually do the tapping. They want Vonage, Packet8, etc. to do the tapping for them.

    If you're using IP-to-IP VoIP instead, the FBI will just use Carnivore.

    If you're using crypto, the FBI will just break into your house/office and backdoor your computer.

  6. Re:So we respond with Nautlius by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe I'm calling my doctor about a health problem I don't care anyone else to know about (rash? std? hemmrhoids?), or I'm feeling lonely and decide to call up a phone sex company, or I'm on the phone with a significant other talking about private matters, etc.

    There are plenty of topics I could be chatting about on the phone that have zero sinister/criminal element but are extremely personal and undesirable to have eavesdroppers.

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  7. Re:Can I be the first to say... by El · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You can encrypt all the information you want between you and your friends, but if you wnat to be on a big and easily accessable network, the feds want in.

    Which is exactly why the whole thing is silly. Do people really make unsolicited phone calls to discuss their criminal intentions with strangers, or do they usually only discuss these things with people they already know well, and thus are capable of distributing 1024-bit keys to before hand? Last time I checked, Al Queda wasn't using cold-calling to recruit new suicide bombers...

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  8. 80%?? by EvilDrew · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Wiretaps for that year cost taxpayers $69.5 million, and approximately 80 per cent were related to drug investigations."

    This would, of course, be a terrific argument in my mind, to just get over ourselves and find a better way to deal with drugs; i.e. make them legal in such a way so that people can have a good time and not pose too much of a threat to society (such as the laws pertaining to alcohol). 'Course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

  9. Hyperbole++; by egg+troll · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I still don't wnat Uncle Sam listening to everything I do.


    What makes you think that Uncle Sam is going to listen to "everything you do"? Remember, this law doesn't give the gov't carte blanche to listen to the conversations of anyone it chooses to. It must show a court of law that there is sufficient reason that you are using the phone lines to commit a felony. All this law does is put VoIP on the same legal standing as traditional phone lines, with regards to wiretapping.


    Equating the gov't trying to stop the illegal actions of mobsters and drug dealers with a police state is pointless hyperbole. There may be issues with wiretapping laws, but your posting certainly doesn't convince me. If there is anything wrong with this statute you'll have to find a better arguement.

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  10. Armchair Lawyer by egg+troll · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Please reread the 4th Amendment:


    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


    Note that this article of the consitution does not say no searches and seizures. Just unreasonable ones. The courts have determined that with probable cause (and your definition is wrong, btw) a telephone may be tapped.


    Oh, and also, the Tenth comes to mind here.. nowhere in the Constitution is the Federal Government granted the right to tap telephones, therefore they don't have it.


    Yes, because clearly the Founding Fathers hated it when the British would tap their telephones....

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  11. The cost to taxpayers by pherris · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article:
    Wiretaps for that year cost taxpayers $69.5 million, and approximately 80 per cent were related to drug investigations.
    The WoD (war on drugs) currently costs the US taxpayer $600 per second according to the Drug War Clock.

    I'm not saying legalize everything, just treat addiction to hard drugs as a medical issue and let medical doctors prescribe for maintance while helping their patients. Marijuana (something much safer than alcohol) needs to be legalized and taxed.

    Get the facts about marijuana. End the drug war now.

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  12. Re:So we respond with Nautlius by corebreech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One wonders then how it is they were able to deal with crime before the advent of technology.

    For instance, at the rate we're going, I fully expect to see laws against two people conversing face-to-face and in private in my lifetime. It seems to me that every argument for intrusive wiretapping technologies applies equally well to a conversation held on, say, a beach somewhere.

    By the way, I hate to say it, but your faith in law enforcement following the rules here, e.g., disconnecting after realizing the call isn't germane to their investigation, is positively retro. A day doesn't pass that doesn't seen yet another law enforcement officer exposed as being corrupt.

    Power corrupts you know.

  13. Re:The most important quote by Saeger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There is one thing that can put the cat back in the bag: "Trusted Computing." If the bait and switch works, users will no longer be in control of their computers or the internet, and it's not too hard to imagine this depressing future being phased in.

    Future headline: "MAE-East and MAE-West routers begin dropping ``UnTrusted'' packets; wireless traffic at all time high"

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  14. That's Why You Should Encrypt Your VoIP by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Gentlemen do not read each others' mail.
    -- Secretary of State Henry Stimson

    Speak Freely is a free (public domain, available in source code form) voice over IP program that can use hard encryption, including "AES, Blowfish, IDEA, and DES with keys as long as 256 bits".

    It's not the easiest program to use, but it does work well. It's development has been discontinued, but you can still get the source code if you get it quickly. I'd like very much to see someone pick up its development, or to at least use its technology in a new program.

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  15. Re:So we respond with Nautlius by dmccunney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might not matter to me if I _didn't_ keep a low profile. When I'm informed that something _can_ happen, my first question is "Yes, but how _likely_ is it?" In the case of being listened in on in a VoIP wiretap, my conclusion is "Not very".

    My stronger concern is a bit more fundamental. There's a strong push for broader police powers to cope with a perceived terrorist threat. That's very nice, but at some point, the threat of terror will abate. Then what?

    In business, you win the game by showing a better bottom line than last year. In government, you win the game by being able to request a bigger budget and more staff next budget period.

    Law enforcement agencies are bureaucracies. NO bureaucracy ever willingly gives up something once it gets it, and no police agency will willingly give up increased powers once they are given, even if there is no need for those powers.

    There have already been enough occurances of government officials making fusses over one thing or another, simply to justify thier existance. I expect to see more than a few by law enforcement for the same reason.

    I'm not worried about Voice over IP wiretaps per se. I _am_ worried about a trend towards increased police powers without a corresponding increase in oversight to insure they are properly used.

    As for ending the war on drugs, nice thought, but how do you suggest it be done? I've thought on occasion that simply making drug use legal would solve a lot of problems. I don't especially care what other people do to feel good. And if some of those things get them killed by overdose or the like, hey, it's not like they didn't know it could happen.

    I _would_ get positively draconian about injuries to _other_ people when someone was high. The same stuff you shouldn't do while drunk, you probably shouldn't do while high, and if you do it and someone is hurt or killed because you were impaired, the world _should_ fall in on you.
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  16. Wiretap abuse in California and Philadelphia. by Nonesuch · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm sorry, troll? the above comment makes sense. I am glad that our government is able to get WARRANTS to tap phone lines. They can't get a warrant without probable cause, and if you're innocent, who cares?
    That's assuming you trust your government to follow the rules. That's not always that case.

    For example, I have heard from former PacBell CO technicians that the wiretap and pen trace rate in the Los Angeles area is staggeringly high -- in some offices, upwards of 10% of the circuits have some sort of "tap" installed (From a remote terminal, a tap looked the same as a simple trace device that only records the number dialed, not the voice traffic on the line).

    You can expect to have a private phone call if you haven't done anything wrong. The possiblity that someone will be listening is very very low (unless you've done something). But for the few times when somebody innocent makes a private phone call and it's tapped into, the chances that it will hurt them is even lower. If a cop knows you just had sex with your dog, who cares? you don't know the cop, i'm sure he doesn't know anybody you know, and nobody you ever come into contact with with know
    Unless of course the reason there is a tap on your line is not to produce admissable criminal evidence, but because you (or the line) a politcal activist, a nosy reporter, associated with an unpopular political organization, or just chose to support the wrong candidate in the last election...

    Think how many guilty people have been caught due to wire tapping before they have been able to do more bad stuff. I'm probably hurting my karma here by supporting partial "fascism" (and yes, i'm glad they have to get a warrant. at least that keeps them from abusing their power), but I'd like people to look at negative vs. positive side effects of certain things, and wire tapping does a lot more positive.
    If you want to know more about government abuse of wiretaps (and increase the likelyhood of being the subject of a wiretap yourself), just do a little research into the past and present of communications intercepts and abuse by the public and private sector -- COINTELPRO, CALEA, RISSNET, MAGLOCLEN, IN-Q-TEL, Takefuji, DSC1000.

    Or just pick up a newspaper and read about the neverending stream of FBI bugging devices found in Philadelphia over the past three months...