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First Look At Intel Tejas & Socket 775

Anonymous Indian writes "The snoops at Anandtech have unearthed some details and photos of Intel's rumored Tejas 90nm CPU which draws 150 watts of power, a 50% jump compared to Prescott. It's also got an interesting locking mechanism instead of the traditional metal clip from hell for most processors." There's not much info beyond the photos, but it's still interesting to see what lies ahead for Intel.

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  1. That much power? by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 1, Informative

    The thing I always liked about Intel chips was their low power absorption and their low heat. Though they're a bit pricy in comparison, AMD chips were power-hungry and thus produced heat as if they had uranium cores.

    Intel chips were great for Mini-ITX cube PCs if you didn't want them to burn, as they ran cool enough to easily run with heat pipe technology. They were even better for laptops, since you didn't have them draining the battery like crazy . On the regular PC front, they would famously run cool overclocked to extremes, like from 1.6-2.4 or from 2.2-3.0 on cheap stock cooling alone.

    Now, it seems like they've lost that advantage.

    1. Re:That much power? by Hoser+McMoose · · Score: 3, Informative

      Err, have you bothered to check the datasheets? The P4 is hardly a cool running chip by any stretch. It may have a wider power consumption range than the AthlonXP, but when the chips were running flat out they sure didn't run any cooler.

      The only reason why P4's used to run cooler than Athlons was because people would stick a 60mm x 60mm heatsink on their Athlon and an 80mm x 80mm heatsink on their P4. Both of these chips consume a lot of power, and both drain laptop batteries like crazy if you use the highest powered parts (Intel actually produces some P4 "mobile" chips with a TDP of 70W!, while AMD's brand new "mobile" Athlon64 chips consume over 60W at full throttle).

      Now, the Pentium M... well that's another story altogether.

  2. Re:That latching thing... by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks like a German dental tool.

    Actually, the Germans are known for their skill with machined parts and their engineering prowess.

    This looks more like a dental tool from .

    Now before you mod me a troll for bringing up Soviet Russia again, let me teach you something. In Soviet Russia, a manufacturing facility's productivity was measured not by the number of units sold, or by customer satisfaction. It was measured by the quantity of raw materials used. The problem with this, is that quality immediately goes down the toilet, and raw material consumption goes through the roof. A soviet era farm tractor, was so unreliable - but contained so much steel - that when Jonev Vladstov (That's John Doe in Russian) bought a tractor, it was worth MORE if he melted it down and sold the steel than it was as a tractor! That's called 'negative value-add' in the economic world, and that's why those old 'In Soviet Russia...' jokes use role reversal as their humor mechanism - because Soviet Russia really was backwards.

    Intel Tejas. There. Now this post is not off topic.

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  3. Tejas? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 3, Informative

    He, that is the Spanish (as written on Spain) for Texas.

    The Spaniards write Mexico as Mejico.

    Just a tidbit for your amusement.

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    1. Re:Tejas? by patanish · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thats sanskrit for luminance

  4. Re:150 Watts? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Informative
    so tomorrow's cpu uses 150w. two light bulbs.

    That's about $10/month; similar to the cost of adding a movie channel or two to your cable subscription. Something to think about for those that will use this CPU to volunteer for distributed number crunching projects.

  5. Re:why it is so .. dirty? by hxnwix · · Score: 2, Informative

    thermal compound such as artic silver. ye olde white paste breaks down, dries out and leaves an insulating crust behind at high temps

  6. Re:why it is so .. dirty? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Informative
    Why the CPU is looking so... um.. dirty (looks like corrosion)?

    Probably just thermal conduction compound residue. You know, that white zinc-based greasy crap that goes between the heatsink and the chip die.

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  7. Re:It has no pins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    And it also may approach the heating capacity of an AMD chip

    No. It's much higher. The 'super-hot Athlon' preconception is way way out of date. It was true comparing Athlon "Thunderbirds" with PIIIs, but hasn't been true since the P4 - the 2GHz Willamette and 3.2GHz Northwoods both dissipate more power than any Athlon.

    The first Pentium was a stripped-together combination of 2 486-like CPUs

    No. You're trying to describe superscalar-ness but not succeeding. The Pentium was the first superscalar x86, having two integer pipelines. All modern x86 CPUs are superscalar (except the VIA C3). Superscalar-ness is not CMT/multicore. CMT appears as multiple CPUs to software.

  8. Opteron runs both 32-bit and 64-bit stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    What do you mean?

    I've got Mandrake 9.2rc-1 AMD64 on my dual opteron system. It's running legacy 32-bit code (Seti) perfectly fine alongside the newly compiled 64-bit stuff.

  9. Re:It has no pins by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

    The first Pentium was a stripped-together combination of 2 486-like CPUs, with shared parts. To describe this as "two discreet Prescott cores on die... sharing data caches and maybe other units..." brings together this similarity.

    The closest is the Pentium Pro and it had separate cache and core dies, NOT two separate cores, but that was converted later to cartridge (PII) and then later all on one die (later PIII). I doubt that Intel produced an original Pentium anything like this, or in a dual core manner.

  10. Tejas information by Saville · · Score: 5, Informative

    2/27/2003:
    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0, 3973,900185, 00.asp
    10/11/2003:
    http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/ cpu/display/200310110 84615.html
    misc:
    http://endian.net/details.asp?t ag=Tejas

    So it looks like it will come in in 2005 instead of the original 2H 2004. It'll have 24k L1 instead of 8k or 16k like current and prescott have. When it is made at 65nm insteadof 90nm it'll have 2megs L2 instead of 1meg.

    It should start eventually run as high as 5Ghz. Maybe that is on the 65nm process years from now? Bus speed should be 1066Mhz (266*4) or 1200.

    It should have some new instructions in order to make life harder for AMD.

    Fortunately for AMD Prescott was already supposed to be shipping at 3.8Ghz, but Intel is a bit behind on their road map too :)

  11. Re:Interesting by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unless I'm way off, this is what's called a Ball-Grid Array, ...

    You're way off, I think. Ball Grid Array refers to a IC form factor that has a grid of contacts on the bottom of the chip carrier. Each of these contacts is pre-filled with a small ball of solder. BGA devices aren't meant to be socketed.

  12. Re:tradition by iMMo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The interconnect used for Sun's USIII CPU is not something that anyone at home would be able to deal with. There's a socket, the CPU, then a mylar pad, then a bolster plate and then the heatsink. The heatsink needs to be torqued down with a precise amount of pressure, or else the CPU can't make electrical connection through the socket to the board.

    You need some relatively major tooling just to get it connected in just the right way, with no carpet fibers or hair in between the CPU/Socket or Socket/Baseboard. These interconnects are not for the average user -- so -- can you imagine having to return your PC motherboard to the factory to have your CPU swapped/upgraded?

  13. Re:Blocked Out? by swankypimp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Intel distributed ten samples of this CPU, probably under condition that you do not talk to the press. (The first rule about Tejas is that there is no Tejas.) This is likely enforced by lawyers and promises of future access to demo units. I'd guess that each CPU is marked with a number or some other unique identifier: if the ID were photographed, Intel would know who leaked the pictures of its top secret processor and could take action.

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