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Microsoft Soft-Pedals Dialup

twitter writes "The NYT reports Bill Gates surrender of dial-up Internet access. 'We stayed in the access business for a while, and then we decided it wasn't for us.' $314 million in advertising yielded $300 million in losses last year." Microsoft's dialup service isn't disappearing, but the company is scaling it back and ending the expensive marketing campaign. This leaves exactly how many big players in the dialup market? Dialup is still the only option in many places.

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  1. NYTimes story requires registration? by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Informative
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    Yeah, right.
  2. Satellite Internet Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Dialup isn't the only option unless you're treed in.

    Disclaimer: I work for a company that does satellite TV (and occassional satellite internet installations). This is why I'm posting anonymously.

    The new DW6000 doesn't require installing software on your computer, it's all in the DW6000 unit. So you're no longer tied to Windows-only. As long as you're sighted-in to your assigned bird, then you're good to go. Yeah, rain-fade is a problem and there are occassional outages.

    Biggest problem: Tech support is absolutely abysmal. My last call to support was 2 hours, 6 minutes, 37 seconds and the problem still wasn't resolved (it's a long story, but the problem was at the NOC but the NOC people didn't see it that way).

    Caveat emptor, but still better than most rural dialup. Huge latency, so it's useless for games, webserving, etc. If you can afford it, try multilink bonding with 2 modems. If not, then you may want to consider DirecWay.

  3. Re:Take your choice... by axelbaker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Earthlink is no longer related to the church if scientology. Sky Dayton's slimy ass left years ago. It is now just a regular run of the mill megacorporation who only cares about its stock holders.

  4. Don't forget... by DragonMagic · · Score: 4, Informative

    The class-action lawsuit holding Best Buy and MSN accused of fraud for scanning MSN discs for people paying by debit or credit card and saying it's just for inventory reasons, and then six months later MSN would bill them, saying that the free period had ended, whether or not they used the access . . .

    That MSN really is one of the most expensive dialup services in the country, and does not have the most extensive dialup number ranges. Add to this poor lines in major cities (never could get Chicago or Philly lines to stay connected longer than eight minutes), and that there are far better alternatives (Netzero/Juno, etc.) . . .

    That in many areas, $25 is the same price as most cable systems are offering for an introductory offer. Get faster connections without having to tie up or get another phone line? Why would you stick with dialup?

    Just another failed business model for MS that was too late to be viable.

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    Human nature is the same everywhere; the modes only are different. -- Earl of Chesterfield
  5. Re:Remember... by katharsis83 · · Score: 4, Informative

    V.92/V.90 56k technology did not exist at the time of 386/486 chips. Old stuff tends to blend together, but I think 56k technology X2/56KFlex/V.90 came out around the time of Pentium/Pentium II's.

  6. Re:Remember... by jetmarc · · Score: 5, Informative

    > In 1992, I had a US Robotics Courier V.Everything modem that cost $500. I had to
    > purchase a 16650 UART chip for my serial port to get high speed transfers. It seemed
    > like a lot of software was still distributed on 3.5" disks. Fast forward 12 years
    > later to 2004. After all that time, modems run at exactly the same speed. V.92(?)
    > was fast when the 386 and 486 were kings but not any more.

    Man, you should check your memory with a doctor.. In 1992 NMP5 was a new invention
    to speed up the transfers of those cool 2400 bps modems by a factor of up to 2. A
    little bit later the 2496 chipsets were released (2400 data, 9600 fax), and
    US-Robotics made the world go crazy with their hot 9600 HST (9600 forward 450 back)
    which later improved to 14400 HST (still 450 back channel). By that time, v32 and
    v32bis were standardized and gave 9600 / 14400 (full duplex!) to all.

    Somewhere in 1994 there were 3 players, Telebit PEP Trailblazer with their
    amazing 18432bps technology, US-Robotis with their HST 14400 (which worked very
    well on noisy "satelite" connections, see Phrack/2600), and ZyXEL - the new
    player who improved over v32bis with their proprietary 16800 and later even 19200
    bps modes.

    V34 (28800 and later 33600) was standardized around 1995 if I recall correctly.
    X2/56K came a year later or so, but stayed proprietary solutions for a year
    (USR vs Rockwell), until v90 was defined. Only recently v92 was introduced as
    minor improvement - minor enough to not be employed in many places (eg in
    Europe most dialup access points are v90, not v92).

    So, while in fact the US Robotics hardware remained the same over many years
    (the "dual standard" platform that came with HST 14400 (not 9600) and v32bis
    had enough horsepower to add the newer modes with firmware flash upgrades),
    the dialup modem technology has definately evolved in those 12 years. The
    only thing is that there is simply no way to stuff more data into a channel
    of such limited bandwidth. v34 is about the limit for "telephone line 3khz",
    and v92 is about the limit for "channel digitally sampled at 8khz 8bit".
    There's no more to do, everything is done already. You could make it cheaper
    or smaller or lighter if you really wanted to, but you can't make it faster.

    Marc