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Does the Military Dominate CS Research?

An anonymous reader asks: "It seems at my university the military has their fingers in much of the computer science research happening on campus: sensors, intelligent agents, autonomous vehicles, supercomputing. Is this the case at other schools around the US? How about outside of the US? How is the military shaping the current state of CS research? What areas of research atrophy because the funding goes to investigating military applications of new technology?"

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  1. When has it not shaped the foundation of CS? by jhubbard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's be realistic here. When has it not?

    Computers were originally people who determined calculated firing tables. The first computers were used to calculate this information and break encryption codes.

    The Internet is based on equipment and protocols that DARPA paid for. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency Check out the current and recent solicitations.

    I'll grant you that business plays a large role too. It funds its fair share, but it seems as though it is more practical and immediate. The military seems to fund things that might not be very practical now, but can possible provide the edge in battle.

  2. At Wake Forest University by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Informative

    At Wake Forest University, ROTC and Information Systems share a building (#26 on the campus map).

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    The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
  3. Re:The question doesn't make sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The point is that copious funding for military technology applications draws brains away from research in technology with no or little military application, things that might have great benefit in the day-to-day lives of most citizens.

  4. Re:Yup by T-Ranger · · Score: 3, Informative
    For number crunching apps, sure. You diddnt mention the use of computers as far back as WWII for number crunching for nuclear research. In WWII it was to figure out how much stuff they needed, now entire nuclear explosions can be simulated. Or so they claim.

    But there is a sepearate, distinct, and very important component of computers that isnt realy computation: data processing.

    This is where, historicly (<1975 say) where IBM (and its predecessors) worked almost exclusivly. Censuses started it all, the 1890 US Census being the first done on punch card machines (reducing a 10 year job into months). IIRC, czatist Russia leased Hollerith machines in the 19th century. (since censuses doers were the primary market for infintile IBM, and no one continiously took censuses, IBM generaly leased machines (and opearators, assumably) rather then selling them. Of course, they continue this practice, esp. on the "big iron", even today).

    Most people agree that censuses, at least, are benign. It hasent been until the last 5 years that data processing has become sufficently advanced for average people to consiter it at all threatining. Im making a distinction beteween data collection/processing itself from the application therof. Privacy concerns (for example) are now very much a concern of "normal people", even if they otherwise trust the data collectors and what happens to the data. Up untill 5 years ago no one had enough data for the data alone to be risky/dangerous/intrusive. Now, not so much. Anyway...

    On the other hand, "data processing", even before "computation", has been used for what would be universally accepted as evil purposes. Or at least one: I speak of Nazi Germany using Hollerith machines to keep tabs on the Jews. To quantify the "Jew problem" (as they saw it). And to effectivly round them up. The rest being "common" history (which I will ignore, this being a discussion of computers). The use of Hollerith machines being largely unknown, even amongst computer/IT types. Even though I dont agree with the authors basic premis (that IBM is at least morally liable for some of the Holocaust), I will point out IBM and the Holocaust : The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most PowerfulCorporation.

    Of course the topic of discussion here is military usage of computers. Censuses certenly dont count. I dont think the Nazis use of computers does either. There is a distinction beteween the German Military/Navy, and the German (Nazi) Government, and "special" (ie, SS) forces.

  5. The military no longer drives CS research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    A little background,

    I'm a United States Army Officer, who majored in Computer Science at West Point. I'm currently the computer security officer, and the network designer for Afghanistan.

    While the military has come up with some great toys recently, they don't drive research anymore. Darpanet (pre-internet), secure transmission (with the help of NSA), the atom bomb, are over 50 years old. But when you really think about it - the last thing the military research has done for the average joe is GPS, and that was started in the 70's.

    When the military had a huge budget, and computers were exorbitantly expensive and arcane, the military was a leader in tech. But now when anyone can drop $800 to get a computer that was astronomically more powerful than those, you no longer lead the way.

    Admittedly there are some projects that are out there that the military funds, but you see similar research in universities or corporations. Robots, protective suits, chemical detection, body armor are just a few examples. Most of the time, military researchers are looking at the cool stuff, the best way to blow stuff up.

    If you look at purely CS stuff the military is just trying to keep up. We have 27 systems to track where people, vehicles and planes are, most don't talk to each other. We don't make our equipment or contract some one to make it anymore, we just buy our routers from CISCO, our servers from Dell, and our computers from many companies, just like the rest of America.

    The military is no longer a factor in CS research