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HP Working With Apple To Add WMA Support To iPod

iPod Afficianado writes to a short piece at Connected Home magazine in which Paul Thurrott "is quoted as saying that HP's blockbuster deal with Apple will have one exciting side effect. The company will be working with Apple to add support for Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio (WMA) format to the iPod by mid-year."

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  1. Don't Worry...I'm Asking For It by Jim_Hawkins · · Score: 5, Informative

    Okay. Yes. I realize the guy said that WMA is suprerior. Now, I do have to say that I have recently been playing around with WMA files a bit.

    1.) 64-bit WMAs do have a little less quality than 128-bit encodings of MP3's. However, because 64 is half the encoding of 128, this is only to be expected. However, unless you're specifically listening to it, you may never notice it.

    2.) The WMAs are smaller in file size (even at the same bit encoding). This is nice. Especially if you plan to put the songs on some sort of MP3 player with limited memory.

    3.) Yeah. The DRM thing sucks. I totally agree. This is why I chose not to go with WMAs in the end. (I was considiring converting my MP3s over.)

    WMAs are not all bad. In fact, they do even have good qualities. But, the DRM overrides any benefit that they may have.

  2. You are on the right track by justMichael · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rip to FLAC.

    Then use this to encode to the codec of the week on the fly.

    Yeah it takes more space, but gigs are cheaper than time (my time at least).

  3. Re: Not all with DRM by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Informative

    platform lock-in?

    Nero encodes to AAC, Real encodes to AAC and plays it, and there are a number of flash players I have read about over the last few weeks that are supporting AAC.

    AAC is a NEW MPEG standard and it will take time to get the penetration that WMA and MP3 have, but eventually, it will be everywhere.

    but I guess open to you means that LAME will encode it?

    well LAME is illegal anyway since you have to technically pay for an MP3 licenses to encoded in that format......

    have fun with your Ogg files and your 5 pound portable music player....I mean laptop.

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  4. The explanation... by EduardoFonseca · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ah... the facts...

    Paul Thurrott is the news editor for Windows & .NET Magazine. He writes a weekly editorial for Windows & .NET Magazine UPDATE (http://www.win2000mag.net/email) and writes a daily Windows news and information newsletter called WinInfo Daily UPDATE (http://www.wininformant.com).

    from http://www.connectedhomemag.com/Articles/Index.cfm ?AuthorID=879

  5. From iTunes 4.2 on Panther by base3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    base3s-Computer:~ passerm$ ls -1a /Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources
    .
    ..
    Dutch.lproj
    English.lproj
    French.lproj
    German .lproj
    Italian.lproj
    Japanese.lproj
    Spanish.lpr oj
    da.lproj
    fi.lproj
    iTunes-aac.icns
    iTunes-aa cp.icns
    iTunes-aiff.icns
    iTunes-audible.icns
    iT unes-cd.icns
    iTunes-database.icns
    iTunes-device. icns
    iTunes-eq.icns
    iTunes-generic.icns
    iTunes- itms.icns
    iTunes-movie.icns
    iTunes-mp2.icns
    iTu nes-mp3.icns
    iTunes-mpg.icns
    iTunes-nvf.icns
    iT unes-ogg.icns <-------
    iTunes-playlist.icns
    iTunes-sd2.icns
    i Tunes-snd.icns
    iTunes-visual.icns
    iTunes-wav.icn s
    iTunes-wma.icns
    iTunes.icns
    iTunes.rsrc
    iTun esHelper.app
    ko.lproj
    no.lproj
    pt.lproj
    sv.lpr oj
    zh_CN.lproj
    zh_TW.lproj

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  6. Re:ogg playback in iTunes by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why would they bother creating ogg and wma icons for iTunes if they didn't plan to eventually use them?

    Possibly because you can already play .ogg files in iTunes if you have the appropriate QT plug-in installed, as I've been doing for about a year and a half?

    Don't read too much into the icons.

    -jcr

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  7. Re:Superior? by afidel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate it.
    But, I disklike it. There are many reasons but the main ones are:
    1)inferior quality
    2)DRM
    3)It's being pushed by a convicted monopoly

    Point 1 I can easily justify because WMA at the max supported bitrate is the only codec I could detect 100% is a double blind test, codecs tested were LAME VBR with --alt-preset fast extreme, Ogg Vorbis with Oggdrop's max VBR setting, WMA 8 Max VBR setting, and WAV source. Point two should be self explanatory, but if you must know I dislike the idea that I am renting the music from whomever decides my equipment should be blessed to play their format. As to the third I do as much as I can to fight a company that is out to crush all competition no matter what illegal methods they must employ.

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  8. Look at his other articles by myov · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://www.connectedhomemag.com/Articles/Index.cfm ?AuthorID=879

    Some highlights:
    • Jobs's Disappointing Macworld Keynote Address Makes Even Gates Look

      Lost amid all the hubbub of CES was the start of Macworld Conference & Expo, which opened Tuesday with an unexciting Steve Jobs keynote.

    • Will Apple Users Strike Back?

      Apple might have to face music of another kind in a class-action lawsuit that will likely be filed this month against the company in California.

    • Microsoft: Get the Facts About Linux

      Microsoft, the industry's 800-pound gorilla, has just launched an advertising campaign aimed directly at Linux's OSS solution.


    Positive MS articles, negative Apple/Linux articles.
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  9. Itunes + sourceforge = ogg by mistert2 · · Score: 5, Informative
    OS x + Itunes 4 + ( software drop or mac os x hints ) = Happy OGG Listener

    I use Amadeus II for my music editing.

    I can't believe I can listen to the files in I-tunes, thanks slashdotters. I know one good thing that came out of this "news" article.

  10. Re:The "superior" quote comes from Paul Thurrott.. by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hey, his home page claims an *entire blog* devoted to non-Microsoft technologies. Intrigued, I cruised over there and was treated to gems like these:


    How far behind is Mac gaming?
    I had to laugh out loud when I saw MacWorld's hilarious "2003 Game Hall of Fame," which reads like a list of PC games past. Which games made the list, you ask? Well, you'll have to think back a bit, because most of them debuted on the PC one to three years before they hit the Mac. Here are the PC release dates for the mainstream games that made the list (even the bizarro choice, Noiz2sa ["most difficult-to-pronounce" game, duh] was out on the PC first, though I couldn't find a release date):

    Zoo Tycoon - Released on the PC October 2001
    Unreal Tournament 2003 - Released on the PC September 2002
    Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003 - Released on the PC July 2002
    Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast - Released on the PC March 2002
    Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Desert Siege - Released on the PC March 2002
    Dungeon Siege - Released on the PC April 2002
    Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne - Released on the PC July 2003 (the sole simultaneous release)
    The Operative: No One Lives Forever - Released on the PC November 2000

    On the PC, we're playing newer versions of these games now (I actually have both Tiger Woods 2004 and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, for example). But the funniest part of this roundup, of course, is the section titled 'Best Place to Get Classic Games." Clearly, that would be the Mac. But serious game players have know this for some time, so it's not a huge surprise. I just think it's interesting to see it so clearly demonstrated.
    posted 1/4/2004 10:55:32 PM


    and

    More egregiously, Apple still locks its customers into their proprietary music store and crappy AAC format.

    (I wondered about this -- isn't WMA proprietary, and AAC open-speced as part of MPEG 4, or am I confused?)

  11. Re:DRM? by zurab · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is just expanding iTunes into a product who's viability isn't tied solely to the iPod's success. Ogg and mp3 are out because they don't have DRM, but WMA is in because it does. Simple as that.


    It is iPod getting WMA support, as others already stated.

    But beyond that, I thought this was discussed several times already in response to previous related stories. First of all, iPods fully support MP3 format, so MP3 is in no way "out" and WMA "in." That's pure nonsense. Second, you can add encryption and DRM to any compression method with relatively same level of effort. There is nothing inherent in AAC or WMA that they "support" DRM and Vorbis and MP3 don't. Any of those streams can be encrypted and wrapped around with their respective containers. No DRM for Vorbis? Bullshit! A simple googling would show you otherwise.

    So, moderators, stop moderating this trolling as insightful. If you don't know what you are moderating, then either go find out, or move on to the next post.