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Earthquake Prediction Months In Advance

eegad writes "A UCLA seismologist named Vladimir Keilis-Borok claims earthquakes can be predicted months in advance. In the article at the University of California Newswire, he claims that the "team including experts of pattern recognition, geodynamics, seismology, chaos theory, statistical physics and public safety ... has developed algorithms to detect precursory earthquake patterns." It also says "the team's current predictions have not missed any earthquake, and have had its two most recent ones come to pass." They predict "an earthquake of at least magnitude 6.4 by Sept. 5, 2004, in a region that includes the southeastern portion of the Mojave Desert, and an area south of it." We'll see if they're right."

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  1. PBS by starvingcodeartist · · Score: 5, Informative

    For years scientists have known about the signs that the faults give off before an earthquake occurs, but most scientist are skeptical that they'll ever be able to accurately predict them because there are so many environmental factors to consider. Read more on PBS's microsite called Savage Earth, The Restless Planet: Earthquakes. It talks about prediction and whatnot.

    1. Re:PBS by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 4, Informative

      In fact, von Neumann was provably wrong. Ed Lorentz' work on chaotic attractors in the Navier-Stokes system was so controversial presiely because it showed that long-term weather prediction over a period of more than about 23 days is impossible -- at least, if quantum mechanics is a valid theory.

  2. Anyone heard of Kushida in Japan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    He made an earthquake prediction in Japan based on radio waves, and he actually came pretty close. Close enough that his ideas are worth more investigation.

  3. they've been making these predictions 20 years by peter303 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This Russian group first got attention in the US seismology community when it "predicted" the Loma Prieta (Silicon Valley) quake of 1989. The technique performs spatial-temporal statistical analysis of weaker earthquakes that proceed large quakes. The first President Bush even asked the US Geological Survey to look into this.

    The method may work, but it has not yet passed the scientifically required of repoducibility by scientists outside the Russian research group. Several leading US seismologists have tried reproducing this analysis method without success. Either the method is devilishly difficult to reporduce, important details have [perhaps intentionally] not been published, or it really doesn't work. Furthemore, you dont see the US results in press, because people generally dont publish negative results. Hopefully the reproducibility issues will be resolved and there will be a successful prediction method.

    (Read my lips: cold fusion)

  4. the most important prediction method by peter303 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The most important prediction method is to antipicate the maximum horizontal force resulting from an earth quake. A force execeeding 10% the amout of earth's surface gravity, called a "g", at one Hertz can collapse a poorly designed building or overpass. 200% g is observed in the largest quakes. A guide to destruction in terms of "g" is here .

    The United States Geological Survey has spent a lot of effort predicting maximum forces. this is based on the location of previous large earthquakes and local soil conditions among other factors. This has resulting in relatively low death rates of quakes of similar size. For example last month's central California quake and Iranian quakes were about the same size with death tolls of 3 and 30,000. Ditto 1994 Northridge and 1995 Kobe Japan with tolls of 55 and 6,000.

  5. Re:USGS Earthquake Reference Site by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Informative

    You know, if you *really* want to test your own systems, go grab a copy of OpenSTA.

    Reasonably flexible and GPL'd.

    --
    Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
  6. Re:Richter scale... by GeoGreg · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually, the Richter scale is no longer used to describe earthquakes. What is reported in the media as a value on the "Richter scale" is usually a moment magnitude, a much better estimate of the released energy. I think the USGS has been trying to educate the reports not to use the term "Richter", and it seems to be working, as one usually now hears about "magnitude 7.3" earthquakes.

    Using the Mercalli scale is much more difficult, as it is not quantitative. Mercalli intensity is a qualitative description of the amount of shaking felt and the amount of property destruction. Plus, Mercalli intensity is not a single value, but rather may be different at every location. Nevertheless, the USGS has been working on a product called ShakeMap that can estimate Mercalli intensity within a few minutes of a quake. However, constructing these maps requires extensive local seismic networks. For an example of a ShakeMap, see this link.

    Predicting the shaking from a given quake (e.g. mag. 7 and 15 km depth in a particular location) before the fact for planning purposes is also done. Small variations in the earthquake parameters (location, direction of slip, depth, etc.) may significantly affect the shaking felt at a given location. Local geology also has a big effect on the amount of shaking experienced. So, it's a tough problem that requires lots of data.