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Multiple ReplayTV Lawsuits Dismissed
bluephone writes "News.com.com.com.com... has article about a federal judge dismissing lawsuits brought by 5 users and the EFF over fears of being sued by media corporations. U.S. District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper stated the suits were moot since media companies agreed not to sue users in August 2003. She also pointed out that the suit brought by media companies against ReplayTV has been dismissed as well."
Small consumers powerless against large corporations. Film at 11.
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trust them that they will follow what they say. I can remember just not to long ago the US Treasury going back on its word. So I fully embrace this because I trust Big Corporate America.
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So what's to prevent those lawsuits from happening down the road over a slightly different issue?
Moot. Right. I never thought I'd hear that in our [lawsuit] trigger-happy society.
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we weren't spared the whole O.J. Simpson ordeal. He said he didn't do it, and see how it turned out? hehe
Oh wait, we can't take the word of suspected criminals, but we believe media companies and their promises. That makes sense.
Have you ever considered *not* donating money? It might be better spent learning how to spell.
...were the moots suited?
logical attempt at humor here, come on now, its early...
future, different companies could sue. Wouldn't it be fairer to strike down the original promise and uphold this case instead?
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That's probably the correct decision. It's a case brought by owners of a dead product produced by a defunct company against a third party unlikely to sue them. But it will come back when low-cost PVRs that don't require a subscription service start appearing from China.
If you'd read it, you'd know that the ring is vaguely sentient, and capable of modifying its own size to fit its wearer (or making itself bigger so as to fall off, if it determines that that would be the best way forward for it). That's why Gollum happened to lose it just as Bilbo showed up - the ring was trying to get out from under the mountain.
Sorry, that link should be this. I don't know what happened there.
Paper gets watermarked all the time. I've never heard of any issues with it. As far as I know, it is just another form of branding, the same as having the word "Coke" on the outside of a can of Coca-Cola, or "Acme" stamped onto the base of an anvil. Please enlighten me about the evils of watermarking paper.
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Parent post includes a link to a notorious LINUX site!
Who's a bigger Troll? The Troll or the Troll who follows a Troll?
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi
An entire new generation of ATA drives is still not supported by Linux. What's up with that?!
They really need to lose the stupid name. News.com.com? It's like a geekier version of the "And then?" gag in Dude, Where's My Car?
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I applaud you sir. Of all the trolls I have ever seen, I have never seen binary goatse before. Bravo!
And that theme song in which the words could be changed to "Muppet Babies, we show our weens to you"...
Simply sad..I pine for a simpler day.
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Just set up a software RAID logical volume and share it.
1. Hollywood firms equate skipping commercials to stealing TV 2. Sue Sonic Blue into Bankrupcy 3. Sonic Blue is forced to sell of the business unit 4. New company disables the features 5. Hollywood drops suit so they can use the same tatic against the next firm that dares give consumers fair use rights over content they have paid for. 6. .... (Any Manufactures in China want to step up? )
OK, if I read right, the article stated that there were no grounds for the suit because the entertainment studios had pledged not to sue over commercial skipping and sharing, and have so far upheld their promise.
So it seems to me that no real harm has been done here, despite the knee-jerk reaction to view any EFF endeavours being shot down as a bad thing.
At least it's good to see that the studios have actually been behaving themselves. And honestly, is the commercial-skipping and file-sharing going to hurt them all that much? So far I get the impression that ReplayTV/TiVo/insert-DVR-of-choice-here is still something of a niche market. At least far more so than PCs, which are far more "dangerous" in terms of piracy, now are.
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Ninnle Linux is the PREMIER Linux distribution. However, it is kept so secret by its developers that only a few key players in the Linux community even know of its existence. Alan Cox, Bruce Perens, and Linus Torvalds all use Ninnle Linux on their personal computers. I'm sure there are some others, but I know for a fact that they do (they are the leading developers). What I want to know is why they feel that the general public geeks are not ready for it? I was touring GNU headquarters and peeked in a room and saw a glimpse of something, then was immediately pulled out by armed guards. What is there to hide? I thought this was an "open" community! I tried taking my case to the EFF, but they turned me down. They must be in on it! This conspiracy goes to the highest levels. Perhaps I've said too much. I fear for my life, and will meet you in Peru. Don't wait for me; leave now. We will be together soon, my love.
And no, patching vanilla kernel or binary drivers won't do since the open source is supposed to be so great and light years ahead of windows - out of box!
The real question is, does this mean we get the commercial skip and internet transfer features enabled on the 5xxx (and/or any new) series boxes from Replay, and not just the older 4xxx like I have?
Aren't their some VCRs (or other VTRs) that had built in commercial skipping?
Did I miss lawsuits over that back in the day, or did no one care during the heyday of VTRs?
I'll post a reply once I find an example, but perhaps someone can back me up on this.
All new Replay units still have the commercial skip functionality. The only difference is that a very tiny bit of user input is now required to access the feature.
The old version used to work auto-magically skipping all the commercials with no user input.
The new version does exactly the same thing, only it requires the user to push a button at the start of every commercial break. Not every commercial mind you, just every 2 to 5+ minute commercial segment. And just one button...
But that one button is enough to make it the previously-automagic feature a "manual" function. And I suppose no one in the entertainment industry thinks such a feature is worth litigating. After all, it's really nothing more than a FFF (fantastic fast forward). Remember, Replay units never deleted commercials, they just made insert points and skipped them in the video stream, you could always go back and watch them if you liked.
Since the new version is little more than a manual FFF, I gather the entertainment industry would have very hard time trying to prove in court that the all-too-similar Fast Forward on VCR's has been illegal all this time.
TiVo has 30-second skip as well, though it's an "easter egg" that requires a sequence of button pushes that isn't in the official docs anywhere. It also disables itself whenever the unit upgrades its OS. Mine did this last week but the 30-sec skip re-enabled with no trouble (once I punched it in right, anyway!).
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According to at least one TV exec, I'm stealing by doing this because I don't see their ads
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I think the OP meant that SonicBlue, which made replay when they had commerical skip and internet program sharing, no longer exists. They were the company being sued originally. RePlay was bought by Digital Networks North America (owned by the owners of Denon and Marantz) who now provide the RePlay service. While I guess DNNA would still be liable since they bought RePlay, the fact that they dropped commercial skip and internet sharing probably in the new models makes the issue matter less.
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I have a Replay 55xx and the new "manual commercial advance" (called Show|Nav) is not quite the same thing as CA (commercial advance, for 50xx). For once thing, for broadcast shows, it never gets the segments right, and skipping forward often skips to the start of the next commercial break! Now, I've not tried a 50xx unit with CA with the same sort of shows, but if the feature worked like this, I don't think Hollywood would mind.
The 55xx are physically the same as the 50xx models, except the 50xx models had CA and IVS (Internet Video Sharing), which is what spawned this lawsuit.
DNNA (the successor to SonicBlue) has not announced that they'll re-enabled CA and IVS on 55xx units. But, since they disabled the feature voluntarily (after buying SonicBlue), I suppose they could.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Moot \Moot\, v. i.
To argue or plead in a supposed case.
Moot \Moot\, n. [AS. m[=o]t, gem[=o]t, a meeting; -- usually in comp.] [Written also mote.]
1. A meeting for discussion and deliberation; esp., a meeting of the people of a village or district, in Anglo-Saxon times, for the discussion and settlement of matters of common interest; -- usually in composition; as, folk-moot.
--J. R. Green.
2. [From Moot, v.] A discussion or debate; especially, a discussion of fictitious causes by way of practice. The pleading used in courts and chancery called moots.
--Sir T. Elyot.
Moot case, a case or question to be mooted; a disputable case; an unsettled question. --Dryden.
Moot court, a mock court, such as is held by students of law for practicing the conduct of law cases.
Moot point, a point or question to be debated; a doubtful question.
The physical ring was invincible, impervious to everything - except, ostensibly, the fires of Mount Doom. But its invincibility was conferred by Sauron's imbuement, and Sauron as an ainur cannot be destroyed, only dissipated.
The flaws and foibles of Sauron's physical manifestations, such as the one defeated by Isildur, do not transfer to the ring - unlike Sauron-qua-man you cannot harm it with axe blows or sword strikes. So the question is, "what's so special about Mount Doom?" The ring wasn't indestructible because it was forged there, it was because it was a part of the indestructible elemental force called Sauron.
So how could a volcano destroy what was otherwise impervious to physical destruction?
It couldn't!
The only logical conclusion is that Istari and other 'good' elementals only wanted it put there because of its utter inaccessibility to mortals. But that doesn't really make sense, as a volcano would not be inaccessible to Sauron himself in his elemental form.
What Gandalf et al really did is buy Middle-earth some time until the part of Sauron not contained in the ring gains enough coherence to retrieve the One Ring from the bottom of the volcano...
if the agreement not to sue is legally binding? And if so, what is this agreement with respect to? (i.e. they will not sue at all, or they will not sue users who exploited one particular avenue of transferring media, or they won't sue if one of their lawyers has indigestion?)
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If you own a ReplayTV, you know the killer feature for it is DVArchive. (sourceforge site)
However, I'm rather concerned about it. The website, although hosted on sourceforge offers no source code and repeated attempts to contact the author have been ignored. He's allegedly planning a rewrite of some kind, which is fine, I just want the source for the older version.
Is anyone a developer for DVArchive or have access to the source? This is not at all an insult to DVArchive or its developers, it's a great program, but in compliance of its license, I'd really like to see the source code.
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I have always thought that all that this debate surrounding skipping ads will just cause a change in the business model for TV ads. If people are going to skip the ads, I figure there are a few options - display them while the actual program is running (not popular, and can be disabled by image processing hardware), shift towards product placements (which has been happening the past few years), or start charging proper subscription to channels. The last option makes the most business sense, but that would force TV companies to make TV that people actively want to watch, a pretty tricky business. I wouldn't want to be a broadcaster at the moment.
Actually, this had nothing to do with the 30 second QuickSkip, but with ReplayTV's "Commercial Advance" feature that automatically "sensed" commercial breaks, encoded that data along with the recorded show, and then let the viewer optionally "elimintate" (in theory) all commercial breaks. The networks didn't seem too upset that you could skip blocks of time or fast forward--people still sometimes view commercials and even forget to skip. It's the non-interactive, automatic Commercial Advance feature that they were up in arms about.
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The way I justify this is I think cable TV should be free as long as they want to advertise on it. If I'm paying for it they are stealing my time and should be forced to pay me for it. My time is far more expensive than the cost of cable TV.
And like we're going to believe this? They can change their minds a whole lot easier than one can refile and move along lawsuits. What a crock. At minimum, and injunction should have been issued to enforce these agreements!
They're not just stealing from you in obvious ways, it's the non-obvious ones that are more insidious.
It's irritating that they're removing stuff we want to see (show content) and putting in more ads (crap). The average amount of time spent on actual show has gone down and the number of ads has gone up.
Aren't they stealing from us, their customers, by doing this? And aren't they stomping on the "works" created by "content creators" -- namely, the directors and cast members and crew? Where's the lawsuits and screaming about that?
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I checked; the tgz only has a jar file.
The project summary says GPL, so it seems like he might be another programmer who wants to release under the GPL, but doesn't actually understand the GPL at all (you are supposed to release code, that is the point).
Tell it to my DVD player that only fast forwards when they say its ok...
TiVo has 30-second skip as well
Yes, ReplayTV has time-based FWD and REV buttons, but this is a seperate function that intelligently skips forward past entire blocks of commercials until it finds the beginning of the next show segment.
Sometimes it works very well, sometimes it just skips until a station identifier. But it usually beats the fixed-time skip button.
I have one of the older ReplayTVs that has the auto (ie, no button) skip feature as well, so it's nice to be able to choose from three ways to avoid adverts without jumping through obscure remote control ritual magic hoops like on the Tivo.
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On the other hand, TiVo has never sold boxes that were labeled as including service and then gone and deactivated boxes that were legally bought with the understanding that they included service...
Though even before all that, I knew I wanted a TiVo, commercial skip or not, based on personal experience with both boxes. Some models of ReplayTV don't work too well with closed captioning, for example, and the captions vanish until the box is hard-rebooted, for example. And I liked TiVo more overall, including its interface.
Do ReplayTVs run on Linux? I know that's way off topic, but I'm curious.
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I bought a JVC brand VCR in January 1999 that had full commercial advance, just like ReplayTVs did. After it recorded the show, it would go back through and mark the commercials. As you watched it, it would give you a blue screen and fast forward through the commercials. You saw only the blue screen for a few seconds and no sound. This was pretty accurate about finding the start and finish to commercials for most shows, and I used it a lot. How is ReplayTV's feature different than this?
BTW, this was not the first model that JVC they made that did this, which means it was available at least a year before I got mine. I wish I could remember the specific model number.
The title of the parent posting is wrong.
I have a VCR with "commercial advance" that marks and skips commercials for me if I want and I can set skipping to be either manual or automatic. It's not illegal!
We already have a branch of government to make it.
Even if the supreme court gets to re-write our constitution, it doesn't mean it's right.
If I cover my ears & eyes for 30 seconds while commercials are on, is it considered stealing?
Yes, well, you know, I'm sure it is, because apparently they have to make a "special exception" for taking a bathroom break. (I know... insane.)
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OK. I'll be the one wearing the red fedora.