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Mozilla 1.6 Released
Jack Comics writes "Asa Dotzler of the Mozilla Foundation has announced this evening the release of Mozilla 1.6. The Mozilla 1.6 release notes can be found here."
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ya, most ppl out there that I met don't know what's 'Mozilla' nor its relation with Netscape the browser. Most companies still build IE only websites, some better ones build IE+Netscape, but Mozilla still remains to be the 'underground'.
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More promotions, either by the press or by us
The browser wars have already been won.
FireBird has beaten IE and we are just waiting for the inertia to bury the old stalwart.
Are you telling me that you aren't waiting with baited breath for tonights nightly 0.8 build that really says 0.7+ in it?
The fact that there are nightly builds and every week a couple of builds optimised for Athlon/P4 or older processors should entice you to at least try it, free of charge, and see if it actually works for you.
Most people that have tried it are still trying it, and a fair number of us have it as default browser.
Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
You've forgotten the best part about using Firebird & Thunderbird:
your email program doesn't crash when your browser does.
Moz itself doesn't crash that often, but plugins brought it down several times per day for me. A serious flaw in the design IMHO.
Firebird is a great browser about to hit 0.8 and stepping closer towards the great 1.0 release that took Mozilla years to obtain.
Well, yeah, but you have to consider Firebird uses the Gecko rendering engine, the same as Mozilla. Having a pre-written rendering engine wasn't an advantage enjoyed by Mozilla.
Thunderbird is still in need of lots of work, but the progress is fantastic and I exclusively use it even in its immature state.
I've been using it across Linux, Windows, and MacOS X, and I haven't had a single problem with it. I'm not really sure how much more work it needs, since it seems pretty clean of bugs, unless they're planning on adding some more features.
I hope not. Creeping featuritis has been the death of too many fine pieces of software that were fine just the way they were.
Progressivism: Parasites helping parasites to help themselves - to other people's stuff.
I've been toying with XUL for a while now and am cozing up with 'Rapid Application Development with Mozilla'. Fantasic read, but the one thing that really sticks in my craw is the total lack of organized documentation.
The *only* way a 'platform'/language will be widely adopted is by making it accessible to Joe Coder. Just take a look at PHP, it's not always the best language, but has a *huge* user base, primarily because it's well documented.
Yes, there are now thousands of 'developers' writing crappy code, but dammit, at least they're pushing it to their clients, friends, family the neighbour's dog. Evangelism (sic) is the root of success.
Leo
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
Should be prepackaged with various popular plugins like Flash and Shockwave.
I've reccomended firebird to all of my windows-using, non tech-savvy friends and they love it, but they wouldn't have done it without my encouragement because it was such a pain to redownload so many plugins.
People are lazy. Lazy people buy(in the loose sense of the word, since the software's free) convenience.
~To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation. -Yann Martel
"From what I've been reading, more people are interested in the suite over the *birds than originally anticipated, so they'll be keeping it around for a while."
Grrrr. This is a pet peeve of mine. Why do so many people find the word "suite" to be synonymous with "monolithic app"? There's absolutely no reason. The suite can consist of the *birds where each component runs in its own process space. There are plenty of other tightly coupled suites out there that do this very well. Why would anybody want to run it all in one process space? It was a fundamental architectural mistake made by Netscape a decade ago, and just pure foolishness when the open source Mozilla team copied it!
As far as most users are concerned, they click an icon on their desktop (or in the app) for whatever they want to do, be it browsing, mail, IRC, calendaring, etc. A window appears and they do their thing. Why does it matter if that window comes from the same process or not? It doesn't. In fact, it's preferable if it doesn't. Crashes, or blocking actions won't tie up or interfere with the other process(es) (which is a major problem with the current suite).
Once the *birds implement the same functionality from a UI and extensions perspective, and the same integration with each of the other components as the current suite, there is no reason to continue with this monolithic monstrousity. I like the Mozilla products. I use the components (mostly mail/news and browser), I want the suite. I don't want a monolithic single process app.
Bottom-posting is more useful to outsiders to the discussion, since they can follow the temporal flow of response and reply. However, top-posting is more convenient for those enagaging in the discussion, since they presumably already know who's saying what, and therefore it's better to have the most up-to-date information at the TOP. They can scroll down to get context if necessary.
Please, don't turn top-posting into yet ANOTHER religious issue... We don't need more of them.
Firebird has won the browser wars? That's quite the statement to say, since it seems IE still has a good ~85% chunk of the market. I think it still needs to carve quite a big piece out of Microsoft's share before we can start claiming any victories.
"Each time you smile, it'll only last awhile. Life may be scary, but it's only temporary."
Some of us wish that Firebird had multiple processes so that a crash in one window wouldn't wipe out the other 4 windows with half a dozen tabs each....
(A habit that you form once you have a tabbed browser...)
Thunderbird 0.4 has worked well for me for the last month (replaced Moz 1.4). It's finished enough that it's useable for me at least.
Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
> Why do so many people find the word "suite" to be synonymous with
> "monolithic app"?
Because most of the components of the suite are not available as *birds yet.
Navigator (if the browser itself is all you use) can be replaced with Firebird,
and the truly adventurous can replace Messenger with Thunderbird, and Composer
(which to me was never useful anyway) is I *think* available as a Thunderbird
extension, but that's about it. Sunbird last I checked is so far a non-starter,
and then there are the other components... where are they in the *bird series?
They remain... unimplemented. Okay, I think DOM inspector is available as a
Firebird extension, but then you can only use it to inspect Firebird; you
cannot, for example, use it to look at the Thunderbird XUL (for theming
purposes). So, basically, the *birds are still lacking that.
It's not the monolithicity of SeaMonkey that keeps people using it; it's the
fact that it's essentially *complete* (well, except for Messenger, which is
still missing quite a number of critical features, but that's another thread).
The *birds are still very alpha; there are whole *categories* of features
that nobody has even *looked* at implementing in them yet.
If all you want is the browser, Firebird can be used as a replacement for
Navigator (though to get the full functionality of Navigator you have to
install about twenty extensions and a small handful of minor things are
still not up to snuff), but if you use the SeaMonkey whole suite, there is
no non-monolithic replacement available yet from Mozilla.org.
That is why people continue to use SeaMonkey.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.