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Explaining the Mars Photo Colorization

TaddyPorter writes "I've seen stories going around the 'net in regards to NASA editing photos of mars. Mainly, the sundial used for calibration showed different colors than the dial on mars. While a wide range of explanations were taking shape, the Pancam Payload Element Lead for the mission, Jim Bell of Cornell University, was kind of enough to explain the color differences."

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  1. Digicams and colors by mwburden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a Sonly Clie' PDA with a digicam built in, and it can be used to demonstrate how digicams "see" color differently, especially in the near-infrared range.

    If you go into the camera application and aim the Clie' at an infrared remote control (like a TV or stereo remote), and hit one of the buttons on the remote, the PDA camera will pick up the infrared and actually display it visibly!

    1. Re:Digicams and colors by mks113 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      All CCDs are particularly sensitive in the IR range.
      Video Cameras and digital cameras have to filter out this sensitivity to get true colour.

      Sony uses this IR sensitivity in their "Nightshot" feature on vidcams. Instead of filtering out the IR component, they use it. It throws off the colour rendition but uses ambient and generated IR to show stuff at night.

      I was at a lodge in Kenya just after dusk, and was told that there was a leopard in at a baited tree across the river. It was too dark for me to make it out, so I set up my camera on a tripod, and quickly had a crowd around the LCD watching a very clear picture of the leopard!

      And I discovered years ago that a CCD vidcam will show the light from a remote. I've used it quite a few times to verify that a remote is actually working.

    2. Re:Digicams and colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Kenya to see a Leopard?

      MAN! Where is the Geek/Nerd in you? Let me tell you what I use the nightvision for.

      Ahme. If you use the nightvison on women in broad daylight, you get to see through their clothes! Yes, it's true!! Sony tried to put extra filters to hide it, but the older cams still does it and you can fix any of the newer ones to do it too!! :)

  2. Re:Filters vs Bayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look, all I want to know is what my eye would see if I were standing on Mars. Can't someone just cut through all this BS "science" and tell me that?

  3. Bitmapped horizon by l0wland · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Can anyone explain to me why the horizon of the hi-res images is bitmapped ? (beware, pic in link is 12MB in size)

    Aside of the odd colors, I found this one of the most interesting anomalies in the pictures so far.

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    1. Re:Bitmapped horizon by l0wland · · Score: 3, Interesting
      That's just an artifact of the JPEG compression that was used on the images.

      That's what I thought too, until I tried to reproduce that. Try it with Photoshop or another photo-editing app, you will not be able to get a sharp pixelated line like that when using JPEG-compression.

      That should read as: At least I couldn't :-)

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  4. Re:Conspiracy theorists by Simon+Hibbs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >I have read literally dozens of things that ``prove'' the moon landings were faked, for
    >example, and each one is rather easily shown to be wrong by anyone with experience in such things.

    My favourites are the 'pictures of alien moon bases'. Many of these prove to be blowups of astronomical JPG files. The compression algorithm used in the JPG format introduces artificial distortions in the details of images, so it's not surprising they find all sorts of weird looking shapes when they magnify the pictures.

    Simon Hibbs

  5. Raw image data by tr0llb4rt0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It'd be interesting to see the raw image data but I expect that without software manipulation it'd be a pointless excercise.

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  6. Re:Great explanation, but why... by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You missed the fact that they do have the filters on their camera for taking standard RGB photos. However, they chose to use the near infrared filter instead of plain ol' red because it is more usefull to them. I for one would be very upset if I heard NASA was wasting bandwidth on publicity photos. That is not what multi-million dollar scientific missions are for.

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  7. The Blue Skies of Earth by NickFusion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to do anything crazy like bring the artcle into the conversation, but the uncalibrated RGB raw data that the mars rover sends back, and the methods used to color correct it reminds me of this:

    The Russian Record

    This brilliant Russian photographer in the late 1800s/early 1900s took an amazing number of photographs, and he would photograph everything three times, with a red, blue and green filter.

    He would then use a special triple projector with the appropriate color filters to show gorgeous color images, long before the invention of color film.

    So today, we can put these images back together in Photoshop, but we have the same Mars problem, we have three color channels, but no clear idea how they relate to each other.

    Lacking a color-calibration sundial, we have to rely on our knowledge of skin tone, sky color, etc to tweak these colors. The link above has a link to the raw files in the Library of Congress, for geeks who want to recomposite some of their own.

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  8. The L4 Filter!!! by daina · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Ack! All of this arguing all over the Internet, endless postings and emails to NASA and nobody is asking (or answering) the single relevant question:

    Why isn't the Spirit team using the L4 filter?

    The L4 filter passes light at 600nm, right on the red channel for RGB. Combine that with L5 + L6 and we have a perfect RGB channel image to end all this bickering.

    Yes, it would be a narrower frequency band and less scientifically interesting because of the lack of sensitivity in the near infrared. Yes it would be affected by colour absorption in the martian atmosphere. Yes it would be an RGB channel image rather than a true human visual image (no digital image can be). But it would be the closest thing to the kind of snapshot a human standing on mars with a digital camera would take. It would be something we could all relate to directly.

    I thought that the whole idea with Spirit was to make it anthropomorphic: binocular vision, 1.5 metres tall, mobile, etc. So why not do a couple of panoramas in RGB? Why not look around before launching into the science?

    In fact, Spirit has taken a couple of images with L4, but mainly for calibration against the sundial or as part of a test rotation through all filters. Almost all of the component images for the panoramas are taken with L2, L5 & L6, resulting in the present confusion when these are mapped back into an RGB image. So we know the L4 filter works.