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Pop-Up Ads Lead to Consumer Revolt, Ad-Blocking

securitas writes "The New York Times' Saul Hansell reports on pop-up advertising and the consumer backlash against intrusive advertising. It's worth noting that pop-ups and pop-unders are the most effective, lucrative and annoying online advertising form. The article discusses the boom in ad-blocker software, with AOL, Yahoo and Google getting into the game. Microsoft says that it will include pop-up blocking in IE when it releases WinXP SP2. According to one pop-under ad agency, 20%-25% percent of Web users have pop-up blocking enabled, double the rate of a year ago - Earthlink's numbers bear that out, with 1 million of its 5 million customers using its ad-blocking software 18 months after release. DoubleClick says that it is 'developing technology that will enable pop-up ads to evade the blocking software.' Why isn't that surprising?"

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  1. Not just pop-ups by andyrut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Flashy, animated image ads on websites are just about as annoying about as much as pop-ups. Fortunately the Mozilla family of web browsers allows the user to block images from specific servers, which seems to work well in targeting ad-serving servers (doubleclick.com being one of the worst) yet leaving the ornamental graphics intact.

    Thanks to this, I've pretty much squashed the "Get 1,000 Smileys Free" advertisements.

    Now if there were only a way to block certain Flash advertisements and still be able to watch Strong Bad answering his e-mail.

    1. Re:Not just pop-ups by loucura! · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's easy, download Ted Mielczarek's Flash Click To View Plugin, it displays a button instead of the flash animation. If you click the button you see the flash animation.

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    2. Re:Not just pop-ups by gwernol · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now if there were only a way to block certain Flash advertisements...

      Agreed, and at the risk of Slashdotting a good guy's website, I'd highly recommend this flash blocker. I installed it a couple of weeks ago and now I don't have any more Flash ads. Its improved my web surfing immeasurably. The trouble with Flash ads is they (usually) have so much animation in them that they draw the attention from the text of the article I'm trying to read. Some sites are now so Flash-ad heavy they're unusuable. Flash Click-to-View is a wonderful tool that lets you view only the Flash content you want to see. Let's hope they incorporate it into the main Mozilla build soon.

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    3. Re:Not just pop-ups by pbox · · Score: 5, Informative

      Better yet, you can use adblock extension for Mozilla SeaMonkey/FireBird. The latest development branch already can block page elements BEFORE they load. alk about speeding up surfing, when you don't have to wait on doubleclik, googlesyndication, clickserve, hitbox, trafficmp, etc...

      It also can block flash, iframe and java, javascript as well...

      see mozdev for install.

      DISCLAIMER: MS IE (l)users need not apply!

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    4. Re:Not just pop-ups by bogie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes but who cares if only 5 people use it? The rest of web can go on suffering the crap that scumbag advertisers use while we fly below the radar.

      It doesn't take any skin off my back if Mozilla never becomes popular. Your first mistake was thinking that it does. I agree with the parent. The web isn't new. If the average Joe can't figure that things like Avant and Mozilla greatly enhance their web experience then shame on them. They're probably the same people who never bothered to find out that you don't need to keep the same homepage that your ISP gives you.

      I know some people will think that's a snotty comment, but come on now. You have to take responsibility for yourself at some point. Web browsing isn't rocket science.

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    5. Re:Not just pop-ups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It also makes it possible to block annoying content using regular expressions.

      I'm using these ones for getting rid of annoying ads:

      • /(^|\b)https?(\:|%3[Aa])\/\/(?:www\d*\.)?(ad[vsVS. ]|banner|counter|track|partner|rcm-.*?)/
      • /(\b|_)((view|page|si[dt]e)?ad([vxs]|frame|vert(pr o)?|log|image)?|adjs|sponsors?|ads[A-Z_][a-z]*|anz eige|aslframe|free2subs|clickTAG|(vertical|h(un)?) ?[Bb]an(n(ers?)?)?|live|qc|werbung|(pay)?track)\d* (_|\b|$)/

      And this one to not load those annoying 1px-spacer graphics nobody needs anymore:

      • /\b(spacer|1?pi?x|clear|(main)?blank|platz|leer|(g reen)?dot)((\b|_)\w+)?\.(gif|jpg|png)(\b|$)/

      Maybe they'll be useful for some of you fellow advertising victims. (But make sure to remove all the spaces which Slashdot automatically inserted.)

    6. Re:Not just pop-ups by $calar · · Score: 5, Informative

      AdBlock rules! Here's my adblock filter. Look at it, poke at it, make it better, please!

      Maybe we can condense this down to a reg expr.

      [Adblock]
      *.ad-flow.com/*
      *.ad.*
      *.advertisin g.com*
      *.banner.*.*/*
      *.bluestreak.com/*
      *.falk ag.net/*
      *.fastclick.net/*
      *.instacontent.net/*
      *.qksrv.net/*
      *.ru4.com/*
      *.spinbox.net/*
      *.va lueclick.com/*
      */*.advertising.com/*
      */CurrentBa nners/*
      */ad/*
      */ads.*
      */ads/*
      */adserver/*
      * /adsserver/*
      */advert*
      */banner.*.*/*
      */banner/ *
      */bannerads/*
      */banners/*
      */marketing/*
      */qu inst.com/*
      *://*.*/*468x60.jpg
      *_banner.gif
      *ad server*.*.com/*
      *atdmt.com*
      *banner.swf
      *chkpt. zdnet.com/chkpt/gs_pre_sawflash/www.gamespo t.com/promos/*
      *doubleclick.*
      *i.i.com.com/cnwk. 1d/Ads/*
      *mediaplex.com*
      *tribalfusion.com*
      htt p://g.fool.com/art/free/ibd/*
      http://pagead2.goog lesyndication.com/*
      http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?*
      http://stats.cashring.com/ads?*
      http://us.a1.yim g.com/us.yimg.com/a/*
      http://us.imdb.com/google/b ox?*
      http://www.distrowatch.com/images/kokoku/*.g if*
      http://www.resellerratings.com/price-direct-t heinq uirer.pl

    7. Re:Not just pop-ups by tklancer · · Score: 5, Informative
      I noted above that AdBlocker for Mozilla now has (in the dev branch) Java blocking. That's uber-cool -- for those of us that use Mozilla. I'll have to check it out, since I didn't know about it.

      But for those of you that don't, or have applets popping up elsewhere (like AIM), I'm working on a java ad blocker that allows you to block specific classes from loading. So, if the JRE gets a request to load a class you don't want to load, it can be replaced with a null, or a junk applet, or any other class you like.

      I'll put up my blocker (requires JDK 1.4 and the ability to set flags for your JDK -- anyone using the Windows Java Plugin should be fine) at http://tklancer.net/javablocker in the next few days. It's fairly basic right now -- just a class file, some preference files, and that's it. The process is pretty simple, though -- load a page, note that sucky annoying ad applet loaded, go through the log file I write to disk, and add the class name to the block file. Restart your JRE, and it should be blocked.

    8. Re:Not just pop-ups by markfive · · Score: 5, Informative
      I seem to block about 90 percent of my ads with these regexps. They take care of quite a few of your "ad" and "banner" filters, all in a nice neat little package:
      /[\W\d][Aa]d(server|s|remote)?[\W\d]/
      /[\W\d][Bb] anner(s|id\=)?[\W\d]/
      /[\W\d][Ss]ponsors?[\W\d]/
      /amazon\.com.*\W(promotions|marketing|merchants|s tores|associates)\W/
      /yimg\.com.*\W(a|flash)\W/

      *The weird spaces are due to Slashdot.
      The rest of my filters are just various adservers like doubleclick, etc.

      It should be noted that it is a good idea to consolidate these filter lists in AdBlock as much as possible due to the way the algorithm works. The longer your list, the slower the page will load.
  2. Does advertising have to be annoying? by glinden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it strange that companies like DoubleClick and X10 believe that advertising is most effective when maximally annoying. Google's advertising is a perfect example of how targeted advertising -- matching keywords to ads, tracking the effectiveness of ads, and showing ads where they are most effective -- can be quite profitable. And they're doing it with text-only ads, no flash, graphics taking over your entire screen, or pop ups.

    At best, popup ads and other annoyances seems penny-wise and pound-foolish, sacrificing long-term customer satisfaction of the many who are subject to these ads and overall brand reputation for a potential short-term boost in sales from the few customers that do click through on annoying ads. For example, because I hate their ads so much, I would never buy any product from X10.

    But I actually find Google's ads useful and click on them frequently because they're so well targeted to whatever I happen to be looking for. Targeted ads work. They show information or a product that's actually useful to me without getting in my way. Why do other advertisers continue to annoy customers with useless and irrelevant popup ads?

    1. Re:Does advertising have to be annoying? by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Customer satisfaction? I make it a point of never buying from ANYONE who pops ME up! X10? Never! Macys? Never! Get the picture? Some folks just have to get hit over the head with a lead weight to get the message.

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    2. Re:Does advertising have to be annoying? by duffhuff · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It doesn't have to be annoying, but it will continue to do so. Ads will increasingly become more in-your-face, until such time as we have a massive consumer backlack (and I mean *massive*, but I think we're starting to see the grassroots movment now), or, in the more ideal situation, spammers and other such low-lifes are catapulted into the sun without any sunblock.

      In "The Diamond Age" by Neal Stephenson, adverstising is ubiquitous. Ads are absolutely everywhere, even on chopsticks! One person in the book has her whole body and the strands of her hair tattooed so that she is a walking advertisement. Other people would just sit in their homes mesmerized by the ads everywhere, never really carrying on a conversation or anything else.

      Basically, in that advanced age with nano technology and all, advertisers had basically settled on three things to get people to notice their ads amongst the clutter: tits, cars and explosions. The more in-your-face, gratuituous, outragous, or just plain wierd, the better. They even had ads that played with your peripheral vision, making it look like you were about to be hit by a car, or they'd have to 3d-esque phantom bull-rush you, attempting to get you to flinch.

      Also, some people had special optical implants in their eyes, giving them overlays of various screens of data or something. One person in the book had one of those, and some people in India (I think) hacked into his vision system and ran an ad for a roach motel or something in the bottom right corner of his vision 24 hours a day. He couldn't get rid of it, even when he closed his eyes. He killed himself.

  3. Feh by Tyrdium · · Score: 5, Informative
    Doubleclick is developing a way to get past a popup blocker. Too bad for them there's something called a hosts file...

    127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net

    Bye bye Doubleclick ads...

    1. Re:Feh by Tyrdium · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, forgot to mention. Take a look at Dan Pollock's hosts file if you want a great premade hosts file that blocks tons of ads and other nasties.

    2. Re:Feh by zapp · · Score: 5, Informative

      A word of caution on using premade hosts files...

      On several windows 2000 boxes I ran into periodic CPU spikes to 100% by SERVICES.EXE (about once every 15 minutes).

      Eventually I realized that I had allowed Spy-Bot Search & Destroy to install its hosts entries to block popups and other sites.

      It seems windows was reprocessing that file (it was quite huge) every few minutes, and was having a hard time with it.

      Not saying this will happen to everyone, but when i deleted that file and hand made a smaller one, the slowdowns went away.

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  4. I have a crazy idea.. by Exantrius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not try and advertise something that someone *WANTS* to purchase-- Maybe *THEN* you won't have to evade a protection I put on my computer because I don't want to deal with your crap.

    Why is this so hard? Google's apparently doing a pretty good job of it-- Sure you need a lot more customers, but for the love of frank, I don't need any goddamned spy cameras, I don't have a babysitter or a cheating spouse, or for that matter a misbehaving dog. /Ex

  5. But they're missing the POINT! by The+Night+Watchman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doubleclick is attempting to evade the pop-up blockers? See, this is something that's always boggled my mind. People are using popup blockers because they don't want to receive popups. As such, they respond in a hostile manner to popup ads, and may more than likely be dissuaded from using any product advertised in such a fashion. The consumer, by using a blocker, is making a statement that they do not want to be advertised to in this way, that they find it intrusive, and that they will not respond to this form of advertising positively.

    What makes these companies think that finding means to actively go against consumers' wishes will be an effective way to earn their business? It's like the do-not-call registry. If I opt to be put on the do-not-call list, that means I have no intention of buying anything from a telemarketer. As such, the companies are not losing any of my business because I was never going to give them my business in the first place. If anything, they're saving money by not having to waste the 15 seconds it takes to call me and find out I'm not interested.

    Common sense, people...

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  6. What amazes me... by devphaeton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is the public's misconception about pop-up ads. Due to the slick marketing of AOL and Earthlink et al, when their screen becomes full of ads, they call up their internet service provider and give them tons of grief. I see my (less than savvy) friends pay fees to companies like AdsGone (i think it's $50/year to use the software) to get rid of "popups" by automatically closing them when they open.

    But the other issue, is that 99% of the time when someone is getting the shit hammered out of them by popup ads it is because they've got about 15 parasites embedded into IE that sits and serves them all day.

    True "pop up ads" only occur when you enter a site, or leave a site, and shouldn't just pop up spontaneously whenever the computer is on, regardless of whether or not you are on the inet. I've seen computers so laden with these that they are completely useless- you start the machine up, and it serves so many ads in the first minute that it crashes. But once again, the customers do not understand this, they simply blame their ISP.

    Finally, the latest thing that i'm seeing (i work in tech support if you haven't figured this out yet)....
    people will call up yelling and screaming and bitching and moaning about all these pop up ads they're getting. So i look at their computer and i start pointing to such things as Precision Time, or WeatherBug, or all these other "adware" programs they've installed as the culprit. They understand it when i tell them, but then i get things like "but i LIKE my Desktop Calender, i don't want you to remove it." or "but i LIKE my Huntbar." or "but i LIKE the MYWAY software, i want to keep it." and stuff. They will bitch about the ads, i tell them why they are getting them, but they don't want to fix it. However, this still doesn't stop them from calling up and bitching about the ads every other week.

    It's a no-win situation for all concerned. I hate blanket statements, but the fact is, most of the people on the internet don't deserve to be there and will always be miserable, no matter how much you try to help them.

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