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Martian Rock Found In Morocco
daeley writes "The BBC is reporting that a rock found in 2001 in Morocco is originally from Mars, similar in composition to the 1977 Antartica find. 'The meteorite would have been blasted off the Red Planet by an impact and may hold clues to Mars' watery past... scientists say the fragments are magmatic rocks. Magmatism is the main process by which water moves from the core of planets to their surface.'"
I ask one question, could this rock not have come from the same source as the billions of rocks that litter the martian surface? I.E. somewhere other than Mars.
Two reasons for suspecting they originated on Mars:
Martian meteorites come in a range of ages - some as young as a billion years old. By comparison, most meteorites hang out around the 4.6 billion years old mark - the point when small planetary bodies were forming in the Solar System.
For rocks to be much younger than 4.6 billion they have to come from a body that was evolving - that was hot, partially molten and volcanically active. Such a body would have to be big - a planet. Mars is the most obvious candidate, it shows clear signs of tectonism until relatively recently - new rock was being formed on Mars within the last billion years.
The second reason for suspecting these are Martian rocks is so clever it borders on magical. Some meteorites have been analysed in the lab. They contain vesicles - tiny bubbles of gas trapped in the molten rock. When the rock cooled and froze, the gas was trapped.
When these bubbles are cracked open, the gas inside can be analysed. The ratios of the inert gases (gases such as neon, argon and krypton) precisely match the ratios in the Martian atmosphere measured by American and Soviet probes.
I've no idea if the Egyptian dog-killer has been analysed though.
Best wishes,
Mike.
AFAIK, the parent is wrong.
RS
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What's next? Are we now going to find out that the rocks being analyzed by Spirit are actually from earth?
It is easier for Mars debri to transfer to Earth than the other way around because of the stronger gravity on Earth. I read somewhere that Earth's gravity is on the borderline of being too strong to allow rocks to escape via meteor impact. One might say that some impacts are much stronger than others so that fast ones might still do it. However, past a certain impact energy, ejected material vaporizes such that there are no projectiles left.
In other words, too slow and rocks cannot reach escape velocity. Too fast and rocks vaporize from the heat of the impact. The middle "just right" window may not exist, or barely exist on Earth, but is relatively wide on Mars because of lower gravity.
Thus, if there are Earth rocks on Mars, there will be far far fewer compared to the other way around.
Table-ized A.I.
Yes, all terrestrial planets in the solar system (excpet Venus, which appears to undergo periodic resurfacing, erasing old impact craters) show evidence of a period of extremely heavy bombardment in their early histories, about 3 billion years ago. This is why the lunar highlands are so much more heavily cratered than the mare (lava floodplains formed sometime after the heavy bombardment period). If you've got pictures of the moon handy, the "dark side" is primarily the heavily cratered highlands, while the side that faces us has more mare.
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I'm gonna bite:
... it was heaved as a solid.
> 1. If a metorite hits Mars it has a tremendeous speed, melting and/or vaporising anything in its vicinity.
Not melting or vaporising. Melting some, vaporising some and heaving some solids. The rock had mars gas in it from volcanic processes
> 2. Imagine that piece of molten Martian rock actually surpassing the gravity of Mars...
Not hard considering the amount of kinetic energy you describe in #1.
> 3. Imagine that piece of by now deep frozen rock actually hitting a Sun-orbiting Earth...
If somebody threw a pebble at you from across a room they would have to be really lucky to hit you in the eye. Now if they threw a shovel full of sand it isn't your eye, but the grain of sand that lucked out. Lucky rock, it isn't one of those still floating around, but a bunch were bound to hit us.
> 4. Imagine that piece of now frozen dirt entering the Earth's atmosphere, heating up again...
> 5. Imagine that now molten piece of shit hitting Earth at supersonic speed...
Geologists have a very classic test to see if metorite claims are true or not. They ask you if the rock was hot or cold. Reentry heat is mostly carried away by albation and conduction to air. Once it lands, the overall average temperature of the rock is still really close to the 3K background temp. Quacks answer hot because they make the same mistake you do.
> 6. Imagine that pice of, by now, nothingness being found by someone, at all.
Only a few of the lucky ones have been found from the afore mentioned shovelful.
> 7. Imagine that series of incidents being given millions of dollars in funding by the Earth's most powerful government...
> 8. Imagine me believing in anything written above.
You are just sore that your welfare check ran out and the millions of dollars arn't being made available for you to get another bottle of Thunderbird.