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Morpheus Infiltrates Other P2P Networks

An anonymous reader writes "Morpheus was the number one post-Napster P2P app until Sharman Networks took over KaZaa and got them bumped off the FastTrack network. Now Morpheus is back on FastTrack, according to MP3NewsWire, tapping into it and the other leading networks through a beta of the NEOnet technology in the just-released version 4. Thomas Mennecke over at Slyck speaks more about it with Michael Weiss, CEO of StreamCast Networks." prostoalex also points to a ZDNet article discussing this new version of Morpheus, and notes the Download.com warning that: "Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your surfing habits, deliver advertising, collect private information, or modify your system settings."

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  1. Two keys for any successful new P2P client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Morpheus wants to capture a big share of the product market and really make a stand, it should do two things which I believe are critical:

    A successful 3rd generation P2P program should;

    a) Either have no spy-ware or, if necessary, do it out in the open. List each program that is in use, what it is recording, and remove it on an uninstall. It's one thing to have advertising and tracking information: its another to pull a Sherman and hide it all (and then !deny all when they get caught)

    b) Have some sort of way to filter out the fake files put out by record companies and the RIAA. Check files, particularly MP3s, for filler, or repetitions of strings (the usual cause of noise on fake MP3s). Make users able to chose the actual content that they are after. Perhaps also blacklisting of unreliable users from a user level?

    Put in these two features and your program can be competitive on any server (particularly ALL servers)

    1. Re:Two keys for any successful new P2P client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Either have no spy-ware or, if necessary, do it out in the open. List each program that is in use, what it is recording, and remove it on an uninstall.

      This may be the case for the slashdot readership, but judging from the populairity of plain old kazaa (the non light flavour) I would say that most users dont know what spyware is but still manage to make kazaa the most populair client on the most populair network.

      Have some sort of way to filter out the fake files put out by record companies and the RIAA. Check files, particularly MP3s, for filler, or repetitions of strings (the usual cause of noise on fake MP3s). Make users able to chose the actual content that they are after. Perhaps also blacklisting of unreliable users from a user level?

      Sure fake`s are no fun especially to "avarage" users who dont have the bandwith and diskspace for them. I think the most populair method of avaiding them isn`t in automated detection which simple doesn`t work if the fakers take the time to avoid it. That is if you could even pull it off with the lossfull compressed files with high entropy filled with repetitive garbage music we are talking about. Blacklisting seems like a nogo too as the riaa/mpaa`s of the world tend to hire others to do their messy work, collecting their Ip`s would be a dounting task, and it would be an arms race. I think the current practice of having sites link to stuff inside peertopeer networks would be the most succesfull method of getting populair. Judging by the visitor figures of these sites (better not link to them) they already have a great influence on the choice of network for piracy.

      Also I dont think the riaa and the companies they hire to do their internet "detective" work are as succesfull at faking as the malware coders who put trojans in their fakes. Comparing the populairity of clients that already do real blacklisting of hosts to kazaa I dont think its that much of a killer feature.

      I would say they key to an succesfull consumer p2p app may actually be in it being opensource. Think about all the features you can borrow from the clients out there. I am willing to bet the mldonkey/gift people are going over this client with a toothcomb trying to find their code. Seeing how their reverse engineering work would be the cheapest way to get a client into the fasttrack network. They seem to be the only ones to have enough info on the network all implemented in opensource code. (ofcourse there are sherman networks and the original kazaa authors who do peercache but they would want to see cash for their specs`s). Morpheus was already basicly ripped of gnucleus (gpl, but then with addes spyware, consumers/avarage users knew the brand and went for morpheus). Now if the morpheus people can keep "borrowing" features from their opensource competitors they may just get the name recognition/feutures/"content amount" combination for the most populair client.... which I think would be a shame for the mldonkey and gnucleus people.

    2. Re:Two keys for any successful new P2P client by SlashDread · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Writing a P2P application isn't against the law, but I bet designing a P2P application that uses such measures to intentionally block RIAA (or any other copyright holder) from trying to track down individuals that are wantonly infringing on their copyrights will be severely frowned upon by the courts."

      So you want to be flamed to hell? Well, I wont bite.

      Ill just rip your argument to bits.

      You are basically saying it is legal for a "copyright holder" to null the privacy of "non copyright holders".

      Im glad to inform you: privacy is NOT designed for exclusive use by "copyright holders"

      And some other newsflash for you: Not all downloading infringes copyright. Under Dutch law Im am totally legally able to download music WHICH I ALREADY OWN A LEGAL COPY OFF.

      Please, get of your high-moral horse, and start paying attention to the REAL issues (fair use, privacy, and IMHO overly long copyright terms.)

      peace

      "/Dread"

  2. Hrmm by acehole · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what the size of the profit they reap from spyware?

    "Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your eating habits, deliver doomsday predictions, collect the neighbours paper, or may leave an unpleasant taste in your mouth."

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  3. Unsafe Client? by Mork29 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your surfing habits, deliver advertising, collect private information, or modify your system settings."

    Doesn't Kazaa do these things anyway?

  4. What spyware ? by DennisZeMenace · · Score: 4, Interesting
    'Third-party applications bundled with this download may record your surfing habits, deliver advertising, collect private information, or modify your system settings.'

    The answer to spyware ? Two words: "Reverse Snapshot".


    Long live VMWare.


    DZM

  5. Please spy on me... by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's always been a mystory to me how to actually become a participant in the Nielsen ratings system. If 3rd generation p2p apps with spyware actually fed back information as to what I was downloading and watching... I would think that would be most spiffy, well except for that whole MPAA RIAA thing, but ignore that for a moment.

    I for one would be perfectly willing to submit what I watched in the hopes that it would improve its ratings, so long as the process didn't lag down my system. I would also be perfectly willing to live with comercial content if it paid for the media.

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    There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
  6. Morpheus Lite? by Barbarian · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wonder if there will be a Morpheus Lite, just like Kazaa Lite.

  7. Integrity checking is needed. :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I agree with you that copyright infringement is a bad thing in general, etc etc -- but integrity checking, just like P2P software, is just a tool.

    I only use P2P networking software to download Linux ISO CD images so that I don't put unneccecary strain on the FTP sites -- but I recently downloaded what was advertised as being Linux kernel 2.6.3 -- only to find it to be a 10 MB tarball full of the man from the late goatse.cx!

    For this reason, I second the grandparent poster's assertion that integrity checking is required -- after all, who knows how many potential Linux users have been scared off because they can't figure out what weird and vaguely pornographic images are doing in a supposedly state-of-the-art operating system kernel... :-)

  8. Living amongst the pirates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Does anyone else think that all these references to the Matrix movie are just some lame attempt at getting attention by wanna-be-popular 15 year olds? How about all the people who got +5 funny for mentioning the Matrix and didn't get that they were admitting that they didn't get the joke but thought that it was clever? Sigh.

    And Next on Slashdot, 3l3T3_h4k3r_20x6 releases his newest P2P app: Trinity.</kidding>

    P2P was a neat concept way back when it was called a bulletin board. I guess it still is a neat concept, now that we have IM for sharing snapshots and web-camera streams. The truth, however, is that it isn't nearly as effective in pushing around bits as administering a cheap Linux box with 200GB of HD off a cable modem with a bunch of college frat buddies.

    Moreover, it isn't nearly as good as having a private server with 500+GB of storage on a college LAN... I lost count after the 5th HD was added to my frat's file server. Dues in a frat house go to the 60"HDTV, game systems, parties (It's all about the Super Bowl), and the file server "as needed". As long as you meter/throttle the bandwidth so that the file sharing outbound network doesn't spike the University's network admin's attention (or better yet, have a student network admin in your frat), bandwidth consumption looks just like a massive Quake (or other FPS) game. Match that to the right port for Quake, etc, and even the best sysadmins are fooled.

    Lest you think that this is too paranoid, I have a colleague who only traded audio or video on his private 10/100 ethernet switch which was behind a Linksys NAT/firewall from his dorm room's connection (he graduated recently). In these days of IPods and USB2 devices, a portable 200GB HD can be filled up pretty quick. They cost less than $200 for a USB2 200GB drive.

    Another friend started using NetFlix recently, and copying the DVDs to DVD-Rs (they are even cheaper at $1 per 4.5GB in bulk).

    A recent alum halfway around the world shares popular series like Farscape or Carnivale in DivX. One of our friends likes to encode the director's comments and such when he rips DVDs. Others go for the make-it-fit-in-700MB VCD. These are all private networks with strong encryption. Having a "P2P network" of geeky college aged friends with a central file store provides orders and orders of magnitude the bandwidth and security from being caught.

    I'm not saying that I don't purchase media (now that I live on my own, I do have a cable subscription). But when I go back to the house on the weekend, there's a good selection of media.

    Let me just say that DRM doesn't work, and neither does software activation. People don't rip crappy stuff. All my friends buy content (CDs, MP3s, DVDs, etc) when it suits them. Busting all my friends would be nice for the MPAA, RIAA, or BSA, but lets just face it, that's not going to happen, because this content is on private devices. The wire taps required to even discover the shared content aren't legal, and aren't practical (go ahead and try to wire tap my dorm's P2P WEP protected 802.11g WiFi network). The answer is to provide the content at high quality on demand over that broadband channel. TV does this, with the exception of the on-demand part. At 3AM, though, if I want to watch Farscape season 2 episode 4, that's what I want to watch with no commercials at DVD or DivX quality.

    It's a good thing we live next to a guy with an open WiFi network. I might be afraid to post something like this from my home network logged in with my user name... You can trace this message off a few bounces into some poor guy's closet, and if you get the IP address, then it may or may not have been changed since his network seems to be going down regularly (see related thread on RIAA lawsuits).

  9. Re:MUTE 0.2.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think it's completely anonymous p2p, not tapping into any pre-established networks. It would be great if it could AND maintain anonymity... Not sure how that could be done without a few sacrificial lambs.

    That's another reason it's important it get more users. I think in the Jan 7 article in slashdot someone commented that they searched for Led Zepplin and only got two results. It really does need more users. Perhaps the RIAA will scare some users MUTE's way.

    Actually, I wasn't that interested at all in p2p prior to their coercive campaign. I guess I'm just ornery. They really piss me off. And I was so disappointed with those articles that came out suggesting that their coercive tactics were working.

  10. Command line by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Whats the best UNIX command line based p2p application out there? In an ideal world if there was a web interface for it too then that would be much better.

    I can't run a windows or a Linux GUI application, hence the question.

    Can anyone suggest anything?

    Many thanks

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  11. Open source alternative KCeasy by havaloc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    KCeasy available at www.kceasy.com also taps into the Kazaa network, is open source, and spyware free. Check it out.