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UK Music Industry Stomps on Imported CD Seller

MungoBBQ writes "The Independent is one among the many news sources reporting that BPI, the British equivalent of RIAA, has made a large online retailer of CDs, DVDs and games, comply with their demands to raise prices by 2 pounds per CD sold on their website. The retailer, CD-WOW, based in Hong-Kong, agreed to raise their prices offered to their UK customers to avoid legal battles. CD-WOW caters to many other European countries, where people have been enjoying their cheaper CD prices. However, it can now be assumed that other national recording industry organizations will make CD-WOW and other online retailers jack up their prices to 'better compare' with the local prices in each country."

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  1. Nice one BPI! by phaze3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well done to the BPI for giving those who download music for free yet more reason to not feel guilty. Truly a great day for record companies..

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  2. It makes sense, though. by Wingchild · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The nature of what's happened is bad, but it also makes sense. Being in Hong Kong, CD-WOW doesn't strictly have to play by the UK's rules and can, in theory, charge whatever they want for the media they are selling. It's the basis of free enterprise, which Hong Kong is sometimes good about. (And to the consternation of the MPAA, sometimes all too good about.)

    So, CD-WOW could, in theory, ignore BPI. BPI, in turn, can make life very very difficult for them through the use of repeated lawsuits (which may fail, but will cost money to defend against), through harassment of people buying their services, and through the use of the same tactics the RIAA employs here against people who don't obtain music how they want you to obtain it.

    It's difficult to fight a legal battle, even one you can win, against an opponent who has the resources of the government to draw on. CD-WOW is probably just protecting their interests by rolling with the punches. Hopefully it'll hurt their sales less than fighting with BPI would hurt their bottom line.

  3. How about this? by little+alfalfa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about they LOWER their prices to COMPETE with CD-WOW? Isn't that what economics teaches us? WTF PEOPLE!

  4. Imports by Godeke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the cost of shipping around the world doesn't offset the price charged, then I see no reason why any organization should be allowed to demand a price change. Surely the cost of shipping that CD isn't small. Under the "globalization" of the economy, if you can't produce it locally for a reasonable price, people will import it.

    Why is it that only corporations are supposed to benefit from globalization?

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    1. Re:Imports by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In case you haven't noticed is bad when normal people import cheeper things. Globalization is only ok if it increases company profits.

    2. Re:Imports by slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the cost of shipping around the world doesn't offset the price charged, then I see no reason why any organization should be allowed to demand a price change. Surely the cost of shipping that CD isn't small. Under the "globalization" of the economy, if you can't produce it locally for a reasonable price, people will import it.

      Why is it that only corporations are supposed to benefit from globalization?


      The argument (which I am merely repeating, not endorsing) is this:

      The price of a CD is nothing to do with manufacture. Your money pays for all sorts of things, and a big chunk of that is marketing. TV, radio and press adverts in the UK are paid for by the UK record company, not a global body. Radio "pushers", TV appearances, freebies to reviewers, launch parties, etc. etc. etc. are all paid for by the local record company.

      So if you hear a record on the radio in the UK, then buy the CD on import from Hong Kong, the Hong Kong record company benefits from the UK record company's marketing spend.

      The argument continues that prices are set to suit the local market, and marketing spending is set accordingly.

      So, if you're the BPI -- an organisation whos *remit* is to look after the interests of the British Phonographic Industry -- it's clear that imports are not fair, and toys should be thrown from prams.

      The same argument is trotted out to justify game and DVD territory lockout, staggered movie releases, etc. etc.

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      A few other points:

      (1) UK buyers used to get cheap (to us) CDs from the US Amazon site. That stopped when amazon.co.uk hit the scene, and Amazon US started refusing to ship overseas.

      (2) Big name shops like Virgin Megastore, HMV etc. routinely sell import CDs in the UK, but the BPI have no problem with this because they are usually special editions, boxed sets, rarities etc. sold at a premium (20,30,$100,higher). It's when imports of the *same* product are cheaper that they start to complain

  5. Excellent move... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When your product is available on a global basis through illicit channels at near-zero cost, and innovative retailers try to bring their prices down in order to attempt to win back legitimate customers, force them to raise prices artificially and drive customers away.

    Way to go, BPI!

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  6. capitalism? by the_rev_matt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just love the "free market" ideologues who suddenly want government intervention when someone manages to effectively compete with them. They have no problem shipping jobs to India to get the best prices, but dammit consumers shouldn't be allowed to SHOP in India to get the best prices! They should be forced to pay our prices and conform to our marketing plans so we can make more money!

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  7. Market forces by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't worry. Because, as we all know, the Free Market will always end up providing the best solution for everybody, where consumers can choose the best product at the best price and everything sorts itself out, magically, until we're all rich and free and happy. Or something.

    Honestly, though; first DVD regionalisation, then this. Yeah, maybe the free market would be a good idea, if it actually existed.

    What people refer to as the "free market" currently is better described as a global welfare state for fat guys in suits.

  8. Self interest by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're not acknowledging that we were in the wrong, but simply that the risk-reward ratio of spending months in court wasn't right for us.

    And there you have it, the real thought behind every business decision.


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  9. WTF - MOD PARENT UP !!! by maharg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I understand what phaze3000 is saying, why the hell should people feel that downloading music for free is wrong when the legal system allows a large institution like BPI/**AA to *force* (read "bully") legit cd retailers into anti-competitive price rises. Anyone agree ?

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  10. The Corporate View by johnos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are lots of morons in suits that think this bit of news is a good thing. However, the smart ones will think just about the same as the /. crowd. This is a huge admission of weakness by the UK music industry. Sure its easy to crush some dotcom, but they've just raised a huge flag that will attract attention from those not so easily intimidated. The legal basis for the threatened action against CD-Wow is thin at best. Amazon or someone else who can afford the legal bickering can now swoop in and do exactly what CD-Wow is backing off of.

    This is, IMHO, another example of the record company's desperation. Cooler heads would have ignored CD-Wow. Realistically, how much could an HK based dotcom change the UK market? Not much in my estimation. But by taking this action, the BPI suggests to retailers that they might be able to get a leg up by importing CDs. The BPI just fucked its members. I hope they are enjoying their "victory" today. A few more like this will kill them.

  11. The hypocrisy of big business by GreenCrackBaby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what gets my blood boiling about corporations today.

    "Well, this guy in India/China/Mexico is willing to work for less than you. Can't compete with those wages? Oh, too bad!"

    Compare to:

    "Well, this CD costs much less in India/China/Mexico. We can't compete with those prices. STOP! THIEF! SUE! BLOODY MURDER!!!!"

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  12. Re:How about offering 2 pounds off to UK customers by ePhil_One · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And this sort of behavior is exactly why the music industry is suffering so; it has little to do with P2P and other things.

    In 1995, the music industry decided to combat price wars in CD sales by setting MAP (minimum advertised prices). Within 6 months, CD sales flattened and began to fall, a did not recover until Napster, MP3 players, etc, revived the industry. The music industry attempts to control the consumer like no other industry, and as a result has missed out on the growth that similar industries have seen, such as Movies and video games. They pay for placement on the radio, pay for placement on store shelves, pay to create videos that they likely pay to have MTV play (all 10 that get played in a 24 hour period). And then they bitch that it cost too much money to create, and thats why they are losing money selling 50 cents worth of metalized plastic for $20.

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  13. Two Wrongs Can Make A Right by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't take a college education or anything more than the old saw of "two wrongs don't make a right" to shoot down the obvious flaw in your reasoning.

    Two wrongs can most certainly make a right.

    If someone is attempting to kill you and your family (a wrong), you are certainly justified in killing them (a second wrong), resulting in the survival of you and your family (a right).

    In this case, the recording companies have been screwing artists and engaging in anti-competative trade practices like the one outlined in this article (a plethora of wrongs). If file swappers can put the recording companies out of business by illegally downloading music (another wrong), then a new mechanism for artists to reach their fans will have to emerge. It is very unlikely such a mechanism will be any worse for the artist than what currently exists, and a strong liklihood it will in fact be much better (this would be a "right").

    All of that having been said, I really wish people didn't trade files illegally. P2P technology is IMHO critical to the future of the internet in terms of scalability. The internet itself is fundamentally P2P in its design, and when it comes to downloading Linux ISOs, or legitimate, free media (home movies, machinima animations, popular slashdot stories) having a P2P infrastructure in place will be invaluable. Every illegal download puts amunition in the guns of those who would ban such technologies and change the Internet from a fundamentally P2P medium, where we are all equally empowered to server content as well as consume it, to a top down glorified shopping network/cable channel.

    And that is a disservice to all of us who value our freedom of expression.

    So, ironically, while I disagree with your reasoning, I share your desire for this illegal file trading to stop, so that the rest of us don't have our rights and ability to trade files legally crippled and perhaps one day even revoked altogether ("trusted computing," "palladiium", super-DMCA, SCO-Law, etc. ad nauseum).

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