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Alternatives to Icons and Start Menus?

Cibressus Lybir asks: "We've had icons, folders and menu's for a long time. I currently use two monitors, both filled to the brim with icons and several drawers on each desktop. My Start Menu, on my Windows machine is never used, because it's flimsy and too hard to navigate around. In movies you always see cool 3D desktops with stuff flying around and some kind of cool gesture or spoken word used to start up applications. The future will only bring more applications, more icons, and more time spent navigating around launching your programs. What are your ideas for the future of desktops? How can we rid our selves of the icon jungles that we call our GUI's?"

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  1. i call it the command line by cpex · · Score: 5, Funny

    all you have to do is type the name of the program you want to run... wait

    1. Re:i call it the command line by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Funny

      And what's the first thing people will try ?
      C:\STARTMENU

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  2. Try PaneKiller by rayamor · · Score: 4, Informative

    A utility called PaneKiller serves as an add on for your Windows Task bar. You can directory surf, detach views (like KDE), plus much more. This utility helped me alot when I coded for a living.

    PaneKiller

  3. True Launch Bar by BlueCowMa · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. I think I have the solution by kurosawdust · · Score: 5, Funny
    In addition to icons on desktops, we could have a small text box at the bottom of the screen wherein you could simply type the name of the program you want to run or document you want to view, thereby limiting your "launch repertoire" only to the capacity of your own brain! I think I will call it..."Type It And- Holy Shit, There It Is!"...XP.

    *rushes to patent office*

  5. Recycle Bin by MImeKillEr · · Score: 4, Funny

    How can we rid our selves of the icon jungles that we call our GUI's?"

    Easy - drag everything to the Recycle Bin. Right-click on it and select 'Empty Recycle Bin'

    Problem solved.

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  6. Lifestreams by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 5, Informative

    The concept of lifestreams seems interesting and is an approage really different from the "classic" desktop.

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  7. Clean it up by eggstasy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just how many different apps do you really use on a day to say basis? If you have an icon jungle on your desktop/start menu its your fault.
    Make folders, taking advantage of the hierarchical filesystem. Put things you use very often on the quicklaunch . I have "Show Desktop", IE, K++ Kazaa, Firebird, and Winamp.
    On my actual desktop I have the standard windows icons, links to games I'm currently playing, and development tools I'm currently using. I hardly ever even use the Start Menu.
    Believe it or not, aside from all the eye candy, there isnt anything inherently better about a 3D desktop environment. A lot of people have difficulty reasoning in 3D you know.
    There's a reason why we've been "stuck" with 2D since forever, it works, and if its not broken, dont fix it. Backwards compatibility is essential for usability, so more often than not "innovation" in the field of user interfaces is actually a no-no.

  8. I call it cleaning up your damn desktop by NickFusion · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Is there some replacement for the dining room table? My dining room table is full of mail and bills and dirty dishes.

    I'm wondering if there some kind of 3D replacement, perhaps a series of dining room tables stacked on top of each other. I'm thinking there must be an eaiser way to find bills and mail and dishes when I need them..."

    Sheesh. Clean it up, get organized. Those icons don't put themselves on the desktop...well, ok, some of them do...but not those other ones...you put them there, just clean them up.

    Or make a folder called "Rug", and sweep them all under it.

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    1. Re:I call it cleaning up your damn desktop by Kethinov · · Score: 4, Funny
      root@localhost # mkdir /rug
      root@localhost # mv /bin rug/
      root@localhost # mv /etc rug/
      root@localhost # mv /home rug/
      root@localhost # mv /usr rug/
      root@localhost # reboot

      The system is going down NOW!

      *minute later*

      Decompressing Linux kernel...
      Booting initrd...
      Warning: Kernel panic, too much shit under the /rug!
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  9. Use real world spacial ques by digitect · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're used to the word icon meaning that little bitmap on a desktop or menu. But in the larger sense, something iconic is a visual symbol, a graphic representation of a larger idea. In my field, architecture, when something is iconic we mean that it someone has used a shortcut to communicate some greater idea. A city hall may choose to represent being a seat of power by suggesting the form of a chair. Or a window may tell us it is floating within a wall by it's odd or angular placement within a building elevation.

    The desktop environment icon serves as the visual handle for some object like a document, an application or an action. To say that we can find some new paradigm other than an icon doesn't solve the basic problem that humans need handles on things to understand and use them. Granted, there may be another clever re-interpretation of the desktop metaphor, but we'll still need the same handles. And because visual perception is the first means humans have to approach something, I doubt anything non-visual will serve the purpose as well. Let's just say that if we want to replace icons on the GUI, the replacement concept would need to be provable on road signs, transportation graphics, automobile controls... you get the idea.

    (Let me just add at this point, that the inevitable humorous comments in the thread regarding the command line actually outline one way people do communication in the real world: voice. Typing at the command line is equivalent to verbal communication. But we can see the failing of this in a real world situation: road signs use shapes and color to communicate more than written text. Sure we need road names and specific situational info to be spelled out, but if every stop sign and light was only verbal, there would be a lot more accidents.)

    Personally, I think real improvements could be made on the desktop metaphor. We walk around in 3D environments every day and get feedback by moving through spacial environments. While I'll be the first to condemn first-person game-like 3D navigation, I think there's quite a large area of exploration that is untouched.

    For example, we navigate through a book by proceeding from page to page. These pages are numbered, too. And we have a table of contents. But did you know that a large percentage of people actually read magazines backwards? They defy the entire designed navigation structure for a spacial comfort. (It's arguably easier for a right-hander to flip a magazine from back to front.) You also have a sense of where you are in a book by the visual ques offered by the number of pages on either side of your present position. And you get a sense of the book's content and quality by it's heft, it's font, line spacing, margin widths and general graphic tone.

    So why can't a computing environment use more and more types of visual ques?

    • Can't an environmental indication of virtual desktop position be shown beyond some little icon pager? (Borders on either side of the desktop?)
    • Couldn't icon groupings be toned by spacial means, not just alphabetic organization or gross categorization? Shouldn't desktops be zoned and reactive based on these groupings?
    • Couldn't the design of the icons themselves indicate categories of function, similar to the typical doc+symbol used for MIME types but yet broader ranging? (Why does the icon for a word processor look so similar to a document made by it? In one sense they're un-related.)

    I think the huge barrier to a new approach is the amount of coordination and effort required. Face it, most projects in my desktop environment are doing well just to have a picture, let alone one that also follows rules of purpose, frequency of use, tone, or anything else social that helps us to navigate the real world. We are appalled when menus re-organize themselves by use, but perhaps an environment that adjusts itself to my "position" more capably could rely on some of the same types of spatial input I get from the real world.

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