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Columbia's Final Minutes in Detail

grub writes "This article on Newsday has an excerpt from 'Comm Check... The Final Flight of Shuttle Columbia,' by Michael Cabbage and William Harwood describing the last minutes of Columbia's final flight in detail."

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  1. Hot Gas != Plasma by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article: ...and that a plume of super-heated plasma entering through that breach had destroyed the wing and triggered the destruction of the orbiter.

    While original reports used the term "plasma", there's a good explanation at space.com's Columbia FAQ that explains that the hot gas that entered the shuttle's wing was *not* "plasma", as defined by science:
    PLASMA: What is it?

    [IMPORTANT NOTE: Officials now say that the hot gas that surrounded Columbia and appeared to breach the craft had probably not yet reached the plasma state.]

    Plasma is sometimes called a fourth state of matter (in addition to solid, liquid, gas). It's created when gas is superheated and electrons are stripped out, leaving electrically charged particles.
    Not to be a science nazi, but there's an important distinction between sci-fi-sounding "plasma" and the mundane -- but still deadly -- "very hot gas".
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  2. The complexity... by alexatrit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...of the shuttle is just fascinating. Call me naive, but it truly is amazing that aeronautical/space engineering has progressed as far as it has. Not to revel in Columbia's destruction, but I'm suprised that we haven't had more accidents since Challenger.

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    1. Re:The complexity... by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There was only going to be one accident after Challenger. It was just a question of how long it was going to take.

      From here until the end of the lifespan, there will be only a few trips. The odds of a problem are low enough that we'll probably get through those with no more accidents.

      At this point it's like software: it's too complex to fix, so you start from scratch. I feel bad about that, just like I do throwing away mostly-functioning software, but it's got to go.

  3. Re:May their souls rest in peace. by sahonen · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a memorial at Cape Canaveral with the names of ALL of the people who have died in our pursuit of outer space.

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  4. Atlantic Monthly by Sean80 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Above and beyond this article, if you can get your hands on the article on the Colombia tragedy which was published in Atlantic Monthly, do it. As always for Atlantic Monthly, easily the most intelligent commentary I've seen about the event, and a couple of closing sentences that will stay with me forever.

    1. Re:Atlantic Monthly by jhsiao · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Atlantic Monthly article was in the November 2003 issue. It's available online here.

  5. I didn't think it was so bad until I read this... by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the crew members came to rest beside a country road near Hemphill. The remains were found by a 59-year-old chemical engineer and Vietnam veteran named Roger Coday, who called the sheriff and then watched from the porch of his mobile home as a funeral director drove by to collect them.

    IIRC (if I read correctly) they were about 19 miles up when the fuselage broke apart... So this astronaut had about that far to fall before coming to rest on the ground.

    I saw it over and over again on TV and thought, well, at least it was instant and there's nothing left... I was wrong and I now have deep sorrow for these individuals.

  6. Re:I didn't think it was so bad until I read this. by SteveAstro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It did say that once the astronauts hit the hypersonic air flow, they would have died instantly.

    It doesn't make things any better to know that though. :-(

    Steve

  7. Re:I didn't think it was so bad until I read this. by LittleGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IIRC (if I read correctly) they were about 19 miles up when the fuselage broke apart... So this astronaut had about that far to fall before coming to rest on the ground.

    Karma me down, but I'm just amazed how quickly information about Columbia's last moments is filtering to the media (and the lack of relative umbrage from family and pundits).

    In contrast, it took years for NASA to admit that, yes, the astronauts aboard Challenger were most likely aware during their final descent, but that information was quickly coupled with admonishment not to dwell on it, out of respect for the families of the astronauts.

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  8. Interesting by jchawk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article is kind of an intense read... I think it's important to remember these fallen heros, who gave their lives for the purpose of furthering our understanding of science.

    Hats off to those brave souls.

  9. Timely: Tomorrow is Challenger's 17th anniversary by talexb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The shuttle astronauts are true heroes -- think of the bravery it takes to fly one of those things. And let's not forget the Challenger mission which failed on January 28, 1986, seventeen years ago tomorrow.

    I'll be outside at about 1130am tomorrow, looking up at the skies as I do every year, thanking that shuttle crew for their sacrifice.

  10. Expensive mistake = critical lessons by danwiz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article ...
    Like Challenger's crew, the Columbia astronauts met their fates alone and the details will never be known.

    The initial government line is always that that people die instantly. After the Challenger crew compartment was recovered, it surfaced that some of crew's PEAPs (Personal Egress Air Packs) had been activated. This lead to the debate on whether anyone was conscious prior to impact with the ocean, and if there was any improvements that could be made to escape such a fate.

    It may seem morbid as first but spacecraft, unlike automobiles, aren't as easy to crash-test. This promotes learning as much as you can from the mistakes.

    Unfortunately, its unlikely more meaningful debris will be recovered from the Columbia.

  11. Really never thought it would happen again by The+I+Shing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember when the Space Shuttle Challenger was destroyed, and I really never imagined that another space shuttle would be destroyed in my lifetime.

    I've heard complaints about feeding starving people instead of exploring space, and that does sound compelling in light of the fact that there is so much human suffering, but I believe (as do many) that space exploration represents a greater destiny for mankind.

    Maybe that destiny could be put off a few decades while we solve all the world's problems, but I don't want that long.

    It's like that t-shirt my one trekkie buddy used to wear, "The meek shall inherit the Earth... the rest of us shall go to the stars."

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  12. Definition of plasma... by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 5, Informative
    A gas doesn't have to be fully ionized to be plasma. The transition comes gradually as more and more of the gas is ionized. The crucial parameter is the ratio of the average spacing of the molecules, and something called the "Debye radius", that measures the distance over which charge neutrality holds (that is to say, plasmas are charge-neutral mixes of positively and negatively charged particles; so if you add, say, some extra positive charges to a small region you will attract a cloud of negative charges to cancel it out. The Debye radius tells you the size of the cloud).

    To be a plasma, the gas should have many free electrons (or ions) in each Debye length. There could be many more neutrals, just along for the ride, in the same space.

    Most molecular gases become more or less fully ionized at around 10,000 degrees Kelvin (give or take a factor of four or so, depending on composition) since that's the temperature at which the collision energy becomes significant compared to valence electron binding energies, so most collisions can make new ions. So anything hotter than that is definitely plasma.

    But even a fraction of a percent ionization is often enough to give you the nice bulk behavior of a plasma, because the ionized particles do their thing and drag along the neutral ones by collision. Depending on the density, it's probably reasonable to call the 8,000F (3800K) gases "plasma".