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CA Court Rules Cyber Cafe Cameras Constitutional

mbstone writes: "A California appellate court has upheld [PDF link], 2-1, a Garden Grove, California ordinance requiring so-called 'cyber cafes' to impose a curfew, hire security guards, and install video surveillance cameras capable of identifying patrons. The opinion is a must-read; the dissenting judge called the law 'Orwellian,' and pointed out that 'even the government of Malaysia' was 'too ashamed to enforce' a similar proposal." It appears that the ordinances were enacted in part due to crime involving "gang activity" and to curtail school-children from using the facilities during school hours (unless accompanied by a guardian).

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  1. Insanity by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is legislation designed to make up for incompetent busniess owners.

    I own and run a gaming center and have zero problems with students skipping class and violence in or near the store. How?

    1) I'm only open when the high school is closed. This means I open at 3pm on weekdays (noon on weekends and holidays). This may sound like a big deal, but it's not - 85% of my business comes from local high and jr. high schools (and most of the other are adults who work during the day).

    2) I reserve the right to throw anybody out of the store I want. And I do, but only when someone gets out of hand (forgets that it's just a game). I set a tone of "have fun and be respectful" and my customers pick up on this.

    No, I'm not in southern cal where there are more gangs, but still - this is not rocket science.

    just my experience.

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  2. "Reserve the right" is a myth by pauljlucas · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I reserve the right to throw anybody out of the store I want.
    You can't reserve a right you never had in the first place. In California in particular, the Unruh Civil Rights Act (California Civil Code, section 51) prohibits all forms of arbitrary discrimination (as affirmed by several sourt cases since: I have the citations available). You can't throw people out because you don't like they way they look or dress. If they are engaged in the business of the establishment (in your case, playing video games as opposed to loitering) and are not making a disturbance, there's little you can do about it.

    The fallacy is that the "Reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a legal myth: you have no such right. Unfortunately, not enough people sue business owners to assert their civil rights. Civil rights trump business owners' private property rights (and rightfully so).

    If you want absolute dominion over who can be in your business, then don't have it open to the general public: have paid membership requirements or by "by appointment only" and be a private club instead.

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