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Introducing Linux to Joe Average

eco2geek writes "The local "alternative newspaper" is running a cover story titled 'The Rebel Alliance: An unlikely army of hacker hippies, geek visionaries, idealistic teachers and corporate giants is making Portland ground zero of a digital revolution.' I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call Portland 'ground zero' of anything, but the article does give the average reader a good introduction to what Linux is, why it's important, and some of the politics surrounding it. (The article also mentions 'the frenetic Slashdot.org.' :-)"

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  1. Farmers using Linux? by RinzeWind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, yes! Right here! The average Joe can handle Linux just as well as he can handle Windows. Teach a little boy Linux from the very first moment he touches a keyboard and he'll be just fine. The sad part is the national government is in bed with Microsoft. Let's hope that little project keeps going.

  2. Advertisements by PuffCammy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Frankly I see advertisements of Linux as a good thing, I mean more people should merely just know of Linux.

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  3. The argument's wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It should be titled: Introducing Linux to Joe User.

    Linux is still a techies OS. Any headway made swinging it into the mainstream is by Linux bending towards what the user wants (Start Menus etc.), not by bending the public at large (i.e. not us) towards Linux.

    1. Re:The argument's wrong... by mwilliamson · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Linux is a techie OS because it works, and works well, and works with minimal fuss. These attributes, as well as a constantly-improving UI will push it into the mainstream. The fact that it is a techie OS should not deter Joe User.

      While linux is a strong techie's OS, it's also reached the point of being less of a pain in the arse to install and maintain than windows. Windows is such a pain in the arse to install that, if not for the fact it's usually pre-installed or supplied as a ghost image, most end users would have considerable difficulty installing.

      It is possible to have a fully operational Fedora box in as little as 15 - 30 minutes that will keep itself updated. Everything that needs configuration can be done right from the GUI nowadays, from partitioning to building your firewall. You can make a kickstart disk to carry your efforts in package selection to other machines. You need not face an interrogation every damned time you change a major piece of hardware, or a few pieces of minor hardware.

      While the techie community is capable of using operating systems that are difficult to install (openBSD, Darwin-i386 + Xfree86), the fact a good OS is easy to install/use/maintain will not drive them away.

  4. Overated ---- Rebellion ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful



    I've heard so much about the so-called "Rebellion" whenever Linux is mentioned. Sometimes I gotta admit that I dunno what they are talking about.

    I use Linux not because I rebel against anyone, it's just that I got tired of the blue-screen-of-death cum you-gimme-more-$$$-and-we-still-won't-fix-the-bug thingy so I switched.

    No rebellion, just got tired with you-know-who.

    In other words, the "Rebellion" thingy may be overated.

    Just my thoughts, anyway.

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    1. Re:Overated ---- Rebellion ? by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      . . . sometimes non-violent resistance isn't the best strategy.

      There has been violence? I must have missed that. Perhaps you are making the sort of conceptual mistake that Gandhi warned about, mistaking nonviolence with passivity.

      Nonviolence as a technique is often based on direct confrontation, even to the extent of provoking it.

      KFG

    2. Re:Overated ---- Rebellion ? by HawkingMattress · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To me, there is a rebellion, but it's not about OSes, it's about freedom in the digital world.

      There really is a war going on between heavy capitalism, who tries to do all it can to restrict the use of everything digitally distribuable, and the people from the base, who have the skills to circumvent the rules, and organize hastily a counter attack to each offensives from the big boys.
      The point is, even Joe Sixpack, who doesn't care at all about the political or economical issues of modern technologies, is starting to understand when he sees he cannot play he's favorite mp3s in his xbox, or play the latests cds in his car stero and asks his tech savvy friends why this is.

      But that's nothing, what's important are the implications of such things in a world where everything will be digitalized.
      The technology, and the extensions we can try to forsee ten years from now can be the thing that will give the power back to the people, or the thing that will allow a control on us that even sci-fi books couldn't imagine.
      [ here fade in of terminator 1 music :)]

      And personnally, I first see Linux as a *nix system for x86, which allows me to play with UNIX on my laptop. But I also see it as a safe harbor where I can go when i'm fed up with corporate crap. Linux is people-centered, when you have a problem you just chat about it with some other users, or the developpers. Windows stinks corporatism everywhere, you know that the people on the other end want your money, not to help you, or to make things better. They'll lock you as soon as they can anyway. So in a sense to me linux is indeed a rebellion, a rebellion to fight the power of money, to circumvent the people I wish I could tell to go fsk themselves when I'm at work. If I can contribute to this little grain of sand in the wheel of capitalism, I'm all for it :)

  5. Re:Open source: competing for new users? by The+One+KEA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoa - your friend just proved that despite the efforts of IBM, Red Hat and others to defend Linux against the FUD being spread by its competitors, that some of it is still getting through to the enduser. Her comment about Linux being swallowed by the corporations is a frightening one, and proves (at least to me) that we need to be much more proactive when it comes to explaining the philosophy and history of the Linux distribution, so that people don't continue to make this mistake in their thinking.

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  6. How about "It's free. It works. Duh." by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (That would make a good slogan...)

  7. Re:So many funny quotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    News flash: the open source and priprietary software poles are not actually involved in a zero-sum game, for all the mouthpieces in the respective camps love the sound of their own voices.
    They serve different audiences, their goals sort in different orders, and they use different methods to achieve the same aim: getting the job done.
    Yes, the demagogues can be entertaining or alarming, depending on the moment. Yes, the legal and technical skirmishes can be quite entertaining. Yes, the market power of his Majesty Satanic may eventually be diminished.
    But no, the GPL worker's paradise will never be fully realized, and no, the GPL/BSD free-as-in-the-love-of-God software that continues to grow in usefullnes will not just go away, and no, you shan't be free of spam short of killing all your email boxes.
    It's, like, a market, or something, dude.
    Information Technology is a means to an end. What has occured is that too many view the means as an end unto itself, and expected to jump in and make ridiculous money for minimal effort. Guilty.
    The market forces eroding the IT economy are perfectly reasonable, and the pathetic attempts of Some Cretinous Orangutans are unsurpsing. My fear is that the chemotherapy required to purge the legal system of the cancer of monopoly will have catastropic effects on the legal system, which is brittle enough on its own.
    What a wandering rant.

  8. Why People Don't Like Linux... by severoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've talked to several non-linux users about why they don't use it, and I'm not talking about the die-hard MS supporters. I'm talking about people that have tried it at one time or another, ran it for a while, and just gave up on it.

    Why did they give up instead of switching over to it as their primary desktop? Answers ranged over several salient (if not because they're real, at least because they're perceived) problems.

    Die-hard linux people see variety as a good thing. That's true, and it's not true. Variety always has to be put in context, especially if there's a lot of it. Here's an example that even die-hard linux people can understand (assuming you're not chefs too). Let's say I'm making salsa and I send you to the store to pick up some heat. You don't know the first thing about peppers, and it just so happens I live next to a produce mart the likes of which you've never seen before. To choose from are: jalapenos, habaneros, anaheim, chipotle, ancho, pablano, thai, serrano, scotch bonnet, etc. What are you likely to do? That's right--grab the jalapenos, cuz that's what you've heard of before, even though they're probably not the best solution. Some die-hard linux people would argue, hey, if your goal is to help your buddy out, you'll head over to your favorite bookstore and read up, and then head back to the produce mart armed with this newfound knowledge. To these people I say, you are truly a die-hard fan of linux if you didn't get this point.

    This is the pressure novices feel at every turn with linux, not just from what OS to install, but what is the install process? (Depends on the distro you've chosen.) How do I install an application? (Ibid.) Which application do I install if I want, say, an email client? (Good luck wading through all of the available options.) Why is it that everytime I head over to my buddy's house, he always knows about all this crap that I've never heard of, and he's got this smokin' setup that I wouldn't have the first clue how to begin assembling? How does one even keep up with all the choice that's available?

    All frustrations that don't happen with Windows. You only rarely head over to a buddy's and see him running Mozilla instead of IE and think, hmm, I'd like that and didn't know about it. 99% of the time, you're both running the same media player, picture editor, etc, and if you're not, there's only a small handful of well-known choices to choose from.

    The next barrier to installing/using linux on a long-term basis with these folks is what I call the annoyance/showstopper problem. Eventually, usually sooner than later, these people run into something that's either really annoying (they can't get X to run at a desired resolution, for example), or a really serious problem that impedes their ability to move forward (they can't connect to the web). They also don't really know where to look for help, or even how to find out where they should start. I myself ran into a problem years ago with RedHat, I simply wanted to upgrade the asteroids game, but the web of library dependencies that had to also be updated made it hardly worthwhile. Eventually, I rolled up my sleeves and got to work--I finally got to the end of a long dependency chain and discovered that, no matter what I did to upgrade this particular library, it wouldn't go in because it was replacing a basic graphics library that is used by virtual terminals. Because it was always in use, it couldn't be replaced, even in single-user mode. So I know this frustration well...even I was asking, how great can this OS be if a simple game can't easily be upgraded, and then it turns out when you finally commit yourself to an afternoon of hunting, it simply can't be upgraded at all? The bigger issue here for most users is, why should I have to know about library dependencies to upgrade a game, why are virtual terminals relevant to the problem I'm having, and what is a virtual terminal anyway? (The point is, whatever it is, it's totally unrelated to what I was trying to do, and most people find t

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  9. Re:Paul thurrott blames *ix for MyDoom! by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pretty dumb yes, but at the same time, it's not hard to build an email server with virus filtering built into it. It costs all of about $300 for a server license from most antivirus vendors, and there's free virus scanners available as well.

    As much as I think Windows blows goats, if you're putting an email server on the net I think it's the admin's responsability to ensure it doesn't propogate viruses. I put implementing virus scanning on the same level as making sure you're not running an open relay. It wasn't always like this but that's the climate we operate in now.

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  10. I've been dreaming of that day for a while now by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if they ever come out with a version of their operating system that can't be used illeagally(sic) I see them going down in FLAMES

    I went back to University a few years ago and am just finishing up once again. The level of software piracy around here absolutely astounds me. As a personal goal, I've spent the past couple of years trying to rid myself entirely of any software that isn't 100% legit (whether it's free "educational" MS product, or OSS, or whatever). The time I sometimes spend trying to get work done is frustrating (need to print something that isn't in a University-approved file format? ie: anything not a Word doc or PDF?), but the personal satisfaction is worth it.

    I rant almost daily about professors requiring us to hand in our work with MS-specific file formats, and my fellow classmates yawn and hand me a warezed copy of MS Office. OpenOffice is SO close, but still not 100% (as I learned after initially receiving a 0 on an assignment - thankfully the prof was understanding and let me re-submit it).

    I really, REALLY would like to see upcoming versions of Windows and Office be 100% unpiratable. Most students I know aren't going to be shelling out hundreds of dollars to keep up with software when there's a free alternative that does what they need just fine. Give it a few years, and we'd have an entire school generation almost entirely unexposed to Microsoft's software. Other than games (about 99% of which are also pirated, incidentally), I just can't see Joe Student *needing* Windows, to the tune of paying for software licenses for it.

    Hell, I've seen students fire up Visual Studio .NET to write and compile a 20-line console program using only standard C libraries. Apparently gcc is "too much typing" for them. I say, bring on working copy-protection for all commercial software, please! And yes, I do realize what a pipe dream this is :)

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