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Author signs MyDoom virus

Mikoca writes "Information Week carries the story of how its author signed it "andy" and left the message "I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry." Thanks, Andy!"

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  1. well.. by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "" "If he's really sorry, then why did he release it," said Michele Morelock, technical support leader at anti-virus software maker Sophos Inc. "I would imagine it's much more tongue-in-cheek than saying I'm really sorry for releasing it." ""

    maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...

    i'm sure somebody will say that darl had himself made that offer :)

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    1. Re:well.. by MaxiCat_42 · · Score: 2, Interesting


      'it's always Sophos'

      Mainly because they are small enough to have people with names working for them and their software is pretty good.

    2. Re:well.. by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting
      That's bullshit.

      He can always say no.

      Of course, he might be risking getting fired for saying it.

      Personally, I'd rather be unemployed than be paid by someone with the ethics to deliberately release software like this.

      Of course, where I live, I'd be paid a reasonable sum for turning the guy in (presumably there would be _some_ sort of paper trail that could be used as evidence... and if there wasn't, what reason would there even be to *START* on the project?). And that would give me some money to live on while I searched for a different job.

      Hmm... now that I think about it, how would this go in an interview...? "Why did you quit your last job?" "My boss asked me to do something that was illegal." You know... I have no idea how the interviewer might respond to that... I could see it going either way.

  2. Andy... sure! by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I imagine lots of people in eastern bloc countries name their children "Andy". Plus, Andy is just a first name, it's not like s/he listed their home address or an IP or something like that. Still, it is interesting that they said this was just "their job"... organized crime hacking, perhaps?

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    1. Re:Andy... sure! by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was just saying that you need to watch many groups, including the FBI. They over-inflate risks etc in order to get budget. Every interest group does this, from environmentalists to industrialists.

      No big conspiracy...

  3. Is this evidence? by joel2600 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps this is the evidence that finally brings to light that people working for software and/or hardware corporations are writing viruses because many average computer users will never be able to get rid of them forcing them or encouraging them to buy new machines.

    Maybe Andy really is just doing his job!

  4. True ? by Samuel+Duncan · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Just because some fool edited "Andy" in the MyDoom binary, it doesn't mean that the real author is really called "Andy" or something like that. In fact the virus originates in Russia, so it's very unlikely that the author is really called Andy, but rather "Wolja", "Olga", "Oleg" or "Katjusha".
    I rather suspect that this is a trick from Soviet officials the draw attention from the fact that this piece of internet terrorism comes from Russia and that their security is beyond repair.

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    1. Re:True ? by dabadab · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "I rather suspect that this is a trick from Soviet officials the draw attention from the fact that this piece of internet terrorism comes from Russia and that their security is beyond repair."

      Jesus, are you trolling or is it just stupidity?
      First, there are no "Soviet officials" as the Soviet Union ceased to exist more than a decade ago.
      Second, it does very little to draw attention from the USSR - you know, the guy's name could be Andrej.
      Third, what do you mean by "their security"? It's MS's security that seems to be beyond repair, as Windows + Outlook is their product, not Russia's.

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  5. Quoted message wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The correct message in the executable is:

    "Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry."

    My^H^HThe Authors Name is not "Andy", he just says "Sorry" to him :)

  6. movie quote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    people on fark were saying that the signature is a quote from the movie Ocean's Eleven.

    Havent watched it tho, so I'm not sure, and imdb's page about the original and the remake dont have any memorable quotes similar to the MyDoom sig.

  7. Its all fake by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is no such "sign" on virus, I don't understand how such mag falls into such rumors...

    Some people at .il figured what that virus is and what it isn't

    http://www.math.org.il/mydoom-facts.txt

    Sorry I cleaned my browser history and forgot the post which leads to the URL on a mailing list.

    BTW thank God that virus, which spreads somehow that easy wasn't Hybris ( http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc /data/w95.hybris.gen.html )

  8. Don't blame Andy! by Proudrooster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't blame Andy. Blame all the idiots that ran his program. Andy's program is doesn't exploit a network buffer overflow but requires a user to consciously run the program. Andy's program exploits ignorance and carelessness.

    I am just glad that Andy's attachement wasn't named "format_my_c_drive.exe" ... I know people who received the attachment, couldn't open it, and forwarded to to others to see if they could open it. Absolutely Amazing. I would like to thank Andy for helping us give the user community a wake-up call. I think Andy should include a license agreement in with his next version so that there isn't so much fuss.

  9. Andy Wharhol by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The message appears to me to be addressed to Andy. I suspect it is an oblique reference to Andy Wharhol and his '15 minutes of fame' comment after the assasination attempt.

    There are several reasons to suspect MyDoom is written to order besides the note. The original launch appears to have been from machines broadcasting the virus payload. That is why the virus suddenly came out of nowhere. The author must have expected this since the timetable for the SCO attack was pretty short.

    I suspect we will eventually discover that the MyDoom.B virus is launched by the same gang.

    The way to catch these guys is to look at the worst types of criminal spam out there - the Paypal, Citibank etc. impersonations that are intended to perform identity theft. I'll bet that one of those gangs sent the message. They have the resources to pay for bespoke hacking.

    Alternatively break into one of the spam sender forums and look to see if someone is retailing a new batch of 'owned' machines.

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    1. Re:Andy Wharhol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The message appears to me to be addressed to Andy.

      If there's a comma "Thanks, Andy" then it is addressed from Andy. No comma, "Thanks Andy" would be addressed to Andy.

      Of course no one can expect a virus writer to know proper punctuation, so there's no way to know for sure. (at least it isn't "thank's")

  10. Signed "Andy" ? by hsoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't get to the story at the moment but this was already reported here on the 29th with regards to F-Secure's work. In the linked story it says that the message is "Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry". This looks to me like the author is addressing the message to Andy, not signing the message as Andy.

  11. Organized crime and cracking/spam/ID theft? by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...

    With all the stories about viruses (like MiMail) being backdoors for spammers, how likely is it that organized crime has gotten involved in the computer crime business? It fits their uh, business model, pretty well -- lots of opportunity for stealing credit card info, bank info, etc. And it's not like Tony Soprano has to learn Visual Basic, either -- there's plenty of people who would either do this on their own and sell stolen info to the Mob.

    One of the things they could do is start a generic programming business and hire a dozen or so coders and have them start working on a fairly generic database system. Have a manager type get to know them and figure out which might have money problems, drug problems or some other vulnerability. Once you get them 'snared', you can get them to write a trojan app, phishing site, what have you -- the Mob maintains arm's length deniability and reaps the profits.

    It's been widely reported that organized crime has been deeply entrenched in Wall Street and the securities industry -- how different is the securities boilerroom from a trojan/programming boilerroom? Maybe I'm naive and they've been at this since day one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't another white collar angle for organized crime.

  12. That's not his name by arsinmsn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's his employer.
    Parse it: "Sorry, everyone else, it was just a job. Thanks, Andy, & I hope the check is in the mail."

    The next question parallels the Avon fellow's "Who is Sylvia? What is she?"

  13. Brilliant! by Mephie · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Our interpretation is that he's apologizing to the general public," Jimmy Kuo, research fellow at anti-virus software maker Network Associates Technology Inc., said Friday. "Our guess is that someone is paying him to write this thing."

    Jesus, ya-fuckin-think? What was it? When he said "sorry" or "I'm just doing my job?"

  14. Re:Server Dead... heres the story by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The MyDoom virus launched a denial-of-service attack early Sunday that crippled SCO Group's Web site with hundreds of thousands of requests, an SCO spokesman said.

    Strange then that sco.com is working fine, as are their DNS servers. All they've done is pulled A records for their various www hosts and according to netcraft www.sco.com seemed ok too until they pulled the DNS record.

    Surely SCO arent hyping this up? Would be very atypical of them..

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  15. Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry? by timjdot · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Tried to search for more info and came across the 1992 Doom2 virus: http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/doom2.htm l

    I am curious about these viruses. Are they "evolving" from older viruses? Seems like some fun research to find algorithms to track this evolution and predict/detect he next one.

    Any links?

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  16. Re:sorry for what by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Plenty of people have been infected with MyDoom after saving and subsequently running the executable. Nice try though.

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  17. I should post this AC by NtroP · · Score: 5, Interesting
    But I won't.

    This virus spread faster than anything I've ever seen to date - we "discovered" the virus on our system after one of our "brilliant users" forwarded an email to me that had a "clean" .zip attachment they couldn't open (they thought). I use a RedHat box as my primary workstation, so I wasn't terribly nervous about a .zip, but I ran f-prot and clamav against the file anyway and it did indeed come back clean. I re-ran the definition updates and it still came back clean.

    So I unzipped it and ran strings on it. The first things I saw were sync.c and all the .DLL's at the end of the file and I figured that it was a new virus. We immediately put a cludged filter in place on our email and went looking around the 'Net for some sort of announcement of this new virus - which we found on f-secure's web site. It was about an hour later that we were able to get a signature update for our anti-virus software on our mail server and about 6 hours later before we were able to get updates for our enterprise anti-virus software (I won't mention the vendor).

    We "caught" over 400 infected messages before we even had a signature for it. That was scary. But what scared me most was the thought that this could have been a "real" worm. MyDoom isn't very creative and not that harmful - making me think it was written by/for spammers, myself. But a few of my coworkers got to talking. What would have happened if this had a more creative payload and it spread via network shares as well? What if, instead of opening back doors (which made it very easy to nmap our networks for infected machines even before we had a "detection" tool) it just looked for all .xls files and randomly changed numbers. What if it then looked for .doc files and randomly added garbage, deleted words, or some other crap? How long would it be before people started realizing this was larger than just a file or two getting corrupted? By then these files have been backed up and/or forwarded to others as well.

    I remember several years back now there was a virus that replaced all .jpg files with copies of itself. It about ruined a friend of mine who was trying to start a "web design" business and had thousands of images, many custom made for his clients, destroyed in an instant. It devastated him (he does good backups now).

    If someone decided to get serious and release a worm with a (dare I say) "terrorist" payload. They could, literaly bring my comapny to its knees in a matter of seconds.

    Now before you go off half-cocked and yell at me for "giving people ideas", take a deep breath. Almost everyone in my office was thinking along the same lines. We were discussing ways to mitigate an event like this in our own enterprise and how we could block any spread out of our networks.

    We came up with the obvious: have good backups, but then we started to think about how to stop the spread out of our networks and realized that up till that point anyone could have an SMTP "server"/virus set up and send mail out. We now block ALL incomming and outgoing SMTP except the ones to and from our mail servers. We also don't allow POP or IMAP in or out except to our mail servers. If people want to check other accounts they can RPOP from our server - at least it will go through our virus and spam filters first.

    If more ISP's/companies did this, the spead of MyDoom would have been slower. But how do you mitigate the effects of having a virus "corrupt" all your documents? Even if you catch it right away and restore from last night's backups (after checking ALL your computers for infection) you still lose an entire day's worth of work for many departments. That's a big setback.

    MyDoom infected department heads and department "techie" people first because their users came to them with an attachment that they "couldn't open". The "techie" people explained later that they had their virus s

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    1. Re:I should post this AC by Helvick · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A number of comments:

      Speaking as an admin in a seriously large Windoze shop I'm astounded that an alert Linux admin can think it's a smart idea to actually do normal day to day things while running in a user context that has elevated privileges. Browse the web, read your mail and plugging into hostile networks are not things you should do while holding the credentials to the castle.

      Strip all attachments. No one really needs them.

      The platform as such won't stop stupidity. Dumb user Beth will still try to run the thing and enough Beth's, Bob's and Biff's will succeed, paricularly if almost everyone runs the same OS regardless of what it is. In any case if she can't HotDawg Admin will do it for her. See above.

      That aside though there is a real need for discussion of your core points. This general type of dicussion is common where I work too but not common enough in "security circles". I'm surprised that we have never seen anything genuinely nasty and can only attribute that to a lack of a widespread understanding of large scale corporate\institutional systems or possibly the fact that none of the people doing this can see any money in that type of attack (yet). In any case the network share vector has been done but it's extremely effective - especially when a windoze virus infects files shared out from a Samba share, and in particular when Admins are careless about what they do when using a priviliged account. DOS'ing a target is one thing but a blind DOS based on something like Slammer's exponential UDP spread attack would be lethal within corporate networks as a secondary payload. Denial of Service attacks against accounts (particularly machine accounts in Windoze environments) culled from LDAP queries would be an awful mess to repair, particularly combined with the last item. Do you have account lockout policies? How many accounts won't lockout? Can your directory service handle massive lockout replication traffic?

      Modifying content would need to be subtle to be really damaging in an enterprise environment - a generalised DOS intended to cripple homogeneous firewalled off zones would be a nightmare.

      And despite all this - we still allow users to pretty much do as they please with "their" PC's. Oh well. I'm just waiting, wont be long now.

  18. Re:sorry for what by rar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As many other has commented, the ability to click-and-run executables from the email clients is not the only reason for virus/worms spreading. Even with only 'save to disk' functionality, people will still run these binaries.

    It is often said that what users fail to understand is that they should not run "untrusted binaries". But in my opinion this is the greatest shortcoming of all modern operating systems. I want my operating system to shield resources beloninging to one binary from another. Much in the same way it shields the actions of one user on a muliti user unix system from affecting another user. Why can't the same basic ideas be used when I run 'nice-screen-saver.exe' to NOT allow it access to 'email-addresses.txt'?!

    Instead of having this functionality, I am told that the solution is to only run "trusted binaries"? But come on, it's not like I can personally audit all the code I run; and even if that would be possible it is easy to miss small bugs that eventually will run 'rm -rf' in my home directory. The point of this discussion is that NO binary should be ALLOWED to do 'rm -rf' in my home directory without me externally authorizing that operation. Exactly as I cannot read or delete user 'joe's files without his authorization.

  19. Hired by the Anti-virus vendors by DuckWing · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, the speed at which some of the AV software makers come out with "fixes" for these viruses before they make any headway still makes me think one of them (Symantec? McAfee?) hired the guy to do it so they can stay in business.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, Conspiricy Theory, But man does it ever smell bad.

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  20. Re:Server Dead... heres the story by spitzak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't pulling the DNS records the correct thing to do? This stops the virus from sending any traffic and thus actually helps the network. I felt sure SCO wanted the virus to be damaging to everybody, but it does seem that some sysadmin at SCO decided to not be an asshole.

    Making just sco.com go to their home page would work perfectly. They could also make www.sco.com go to some big server that they pay that delivers a simple "click here" page, though I doubt they will do that because it will make most people think the site is up, when they want people to think it is down.

    I don't know what the article is talking about for Microsoft. The second virus is a dud and Microsoft's site is easily handling the traffic and works perfectly.

  21. Spammers still spreading it by tbase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most of the copies I'm getting now are to invalid addresses at my domain. Made up firstnames @mydomain.com. I originally thought that the virus was making these names up, but then today it dawned on me. A few weeks ago I started getting undeliverable messages to those same made-up addresses. Some spammer(s) is using my domain with random names as a from address in their spams. Now either there are a lot of people with infected machines who have copies of spam with those bogus from addresses that the virus is harvesting, or the same spammer(s) that is using my domain is mass mailing copies of the virus to keep it spreading. So many of these bogus addresses are out there now that all the common firstnames@mydomain.com are pretty much ruined.

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  22. Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry? by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The evolution wouldn't need to happen within the same machine. Each copy of the virus could send out bunches of slightly altered versions. The ones that succeed could do the same, etc.

    The tricky part would be deciding what parts of the code might get a change, and how to make changes that wouldn't be immediately fatal. (See genetic programming.)

    Once the thing got started, it might do nearly anything. Say your original version sent out 50% exact copies and 50% with a single bit alteration in a random location. (This is to keep the thing small.) That has the potential to swamp any virus detection method. If enough changed variants are successfully propagating. But that is, of course, a big if.

    But do notice that this thing isn't of value to anyone except someone who just wants to disable the net. You can't immunize against it in any permanent way, because it will evolve away. And it changes rapidly (perhaps too rapidly, but the mutations should fix that).

    The problem is, most of the mutations will be highly defective. It's only the survivors that will cause problems. Well, that's what you expect from a system based on evolution.

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