Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the now-thats-just-stupid dept.
Mikoca writes "Information Week carries the story of how its author signed it "andy" and left the message "I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry." Thanks, Andy!"
"" "If he's really sorry, then why did he release it," said Michele Morelock, technical support leader at anti-virus software maker Sophos Inc. "I would imagine it's much more tongue-in-cheek than saying I'm really sorry for releasing it." ""
maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...
i'm sure somebody will say that darl had himself made that offer:)
-- world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
"Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry."
My^H^HThe Authors Name is not "Andy", he just says "Sorry" to him:)
Don't blame Andy!
by
Proudrooster
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Don't blame Andy. Blame all the idiots that ran his program. Andy's program is doesn't exploit a network buffer overflow but requires a user to consciously run the program. Andy's program exploits ignorance and carelessness.
I am just glad that Andy's attachement wasn't named "format_my_c_drive.exe"... I know people who received the attachment, couldn't open it, and forwarded to to others to see if they could open it. Absolutely Amazing. I would like to thank Andy for helping us give the user community a wake-up call. I think Andy should include a license agreement in with his next version so that there isn't so much fuss.
"I rather suspect that this is a trick from Soviet officials the draw attention from the fact that this piece of internet terrorism comes from Russia and that their security is beyond repair."
Jesus, are you trolling or is it just stupidity? First, there are no "Soviet officials" as the Soviet Union ceased to exist more than a decade ago. Second, it does very little to draw attention from the USSR - you know, the guy's name could be Andrej. Third, what do you mean by "their security"? It's MS's security that seems to be beyond repair, as Windows + Outlook is their product, not Russia's.
-- Real life is overrated.
Andy Wharhol
by
Zeinfeld
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· Score: 5, Interesting
The message appears to me to be addressed to Andy. I suspect it is an oblique reference to Andy Wharhol and his '15 minutes of fame' comment after the assasination attempt.
There are several reasons to suspect MyDoom is written to order besides the note. The original launch appears to have been from machines broadcasting the virus payload. That is why the virus suddenly came out of nowhere. The author must have expected this since the timetable for the SCO attack was pretty short.
I suspect we will eventually discover that the MyDoom.B virus is launched by the same gang.
The way to catch these guys is to look at the worst types of criminal spam out there - the Paypal, Citibank etc. impersonations that are intended to perform identity theft. I'll bet that one of those gangs sent the message. They have the resources to pay for bespoke hacking.
Alternatively break into one of the spam sender forums and look to see if someone is retailing a new batch of 'owned' machines.
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Organized crime and cracking/spam/ID theft?
by
swb
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· Score: 4, Interesting
maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...
With all the stories about viruses (like MiMail) being backdoors for spammers, how likely is it that organized crime has gotten involved in the computer crime business? It fits their uh, business model, pretty well -- lots of opportunity for stealing credit card info, bank info, etc. And it's not like Tony Soprano has to learn Visual Basic, either -- there's plenty of people who would either do this on their own and sell stolen info to the Mob.
One of the things they could do is start a generic programming business and hire a dozen or so coders and have them start working on a fairly generic database system. Have a manager type get to know them and figure out which might have money problems, drug problems or some other vulnerability. Once you get them 'snared', you can get them to write a trojan app, phishing site, what have you -- the Mob maintains arm's length deniability and reaps the profits.
It's been widely reported that organized crime has been deeply entrenched in Wall Street and the securities industry -- how different is the securities boilerroom from a trojan/programming boilerroom? Maybe I'm naive and they've been at this since day one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't another white collar angle for organized crime.
Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry?
by
timjdot
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Tried to search for more info and came across the 1992 Doom2 virus: http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/doom2.htm l
I am curious about these viruses. Are they "evolving" from older viruses? Seems like some fun research to find algorithms to track this evolution and predict/detect he next one.
Any links?
-- Expect Freedom.
I should post this AC
by
NtroP
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· Score: 5, Interesting
But I won't.
This virus spread faster than anything I've ever seen to date - we "discovered" the virus on our system after one of our "brilliant users" forwarded an email to me that had a "clean".zip attachment they couldn't open (they thought). I use a RedHat box as my primary workstation, so I wasn't terribly nervous about a.zip, but I ran f-prot and clamav against the file anyway and it did indeed come back clean. I re-ran the definition updates and it still came back clean.
So I unzipped it and ran strings on it. The first things I saw were sync.c and all the.DLL's at the end of the file and I figured that it was a new virus. We immediately put a cludged filter in place on our email and went looking around the 'Net for some sort of announcement of this new virus - which we found on f-secure's web site. It was about an hour later that we were able to get a signature update for our anti-virus software on our mail server and about 6 hours later before we were able to get updates for our enterprise anti-virus software (I won't mention the vendor).
We "caught" over 400 infected messages before we even had a signature for it. That was scary. But what scared me most was the thought that this could have been a "real" worm. MyDoom isn't very creative and not that harmful - making me think it was written by/for spammers, myself. But a few of my coworkers got to talking. What would have happened if this had a more creative payload and it spread via network shares as well? What if, instead of opening back doors (which made it very easy to nmap our networks for infected machines even before we had a "detection" tool) it just looked for all.xls files and randomly changed numbers. What if it then looked for.doc files and randomly added garbage, deleted words, or some other crap? How long would it be before people started realizing this was larger than just a file or two getting corrupted? By then these files have been backed up and/or forwarded to others as well.
I remember several years back now there was a virus that replaced all.jpg files with copies of itself. It about ruined a friend of mine who was trying to start a "web design" business and had thousands of images, many custom made for his clients, destroyed in an instant. It devastated him (he does good backups now).
If someone decided to get serious and release a worm with a (dare I say) "terrorist" payload. They could, literaly bring my comapny to its knees in a matter of seconds.
Now before you go off half-cocked and yell at me for "giving people ideas", take a deep breath. Almost everyone in my office was thinking along the same lines. We were discussing ways to mitigate an event like this in our own enterprise and how we could block any spread out of our networks.
We came up with the obvious: have good backups, but then we started to think about how to stop the spread out of our networks and realized that up till that point anyone could have an SMTP "server"/virus set up and send mail out. We now block ALL incomming and outgoing SMTP except the ones to and from our mail servers. We also don't allow POP or IMAP in or out except to our mail servers. If people want to check other accounts they can RPOP from our server - at least it will go through our virus and spam filters first.
If more ISP's/companies did this, the spead of MyDoom would have been slower. But how do you mitigate the effects of having a virus "corrupt" all your documents? Even if you catch it right away and restore from last night's backups (after checking ALL your computers for infection) you still lose an entire day's worth of work for many departments. That's a big setback.
MyDoom infected department heads and department "techie" people first because their users came to them with an attachment that they "couldn't open". The "techie" people explained later that they had their virus s
-- "terrorism" and "pedophilia" are the root passwords to the Constitution
"" "If he's really sorry, then why did he release it," said Michele Morelock, technical support leader at anti-virus software maker Sophos Inc. "I would imagine it's much more tongue-in-cheek than saying I'm really sorry for releasing it." ""
:)
maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...
i'm sure somebody will say that darl had himself made that offer
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
The correct message in the executable is:
:)
"Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry."
My^H^HThe Authors Name is not "Andy", he just says "Sorry" to him
Don't blame Andy. Blame all the idiots that ran his program. Andy's program is doesn't exploit a network buffer overflow but requires a user to consciously run the program. Andy's program exploits ignorance and carelessness.
... I know people who received the attachment, couldn't open it, and forwarded to to others to see if they could open it. Absolutely Amazing. I would like to thank Andy for helping us give the user community a wake-up call. I think Andy should include a license agreement in with his next version so that there isn't so much fuss.
I am just glad that Andy's attachement wasn't named "format_my_c_drive.exe"
"I rather suspect that this is a trick from Soviet officials the draw attention from the fact that this piece of internet terrorism comes from Russia and that their security is beyond repair."
Jesus, are you trolling or is it just stupidity?
First, there are no "Soviet officials" as the Soviet Union ceased to exist more than a decade ago.
Second, it does very little to draw attention from the USSR - you know, the guy's name could be Andrej.
Third, what do you mean by "their security"? It's MS's security that seems to be beyond repair, as Windows + Outlook is their product, not Russia's.
Real life is overrated.
There are several reasons to suspect MyDoom is written to order besides the note. The original launch appears to have been from machines broadcasting the virus payload. That is why the virus suddenly came out of nowhere. The author must have expected this since the timetable for the SCO attack was pretty short.
I suspect we will eventually discover that the MyDoom.B virus is launched by the same gang.
The way to catch these guys is to look at the worst types of criminal spam out there - the Paypal, Citibank etc. impersonations that are intended to perform identity theft. I'll bet that one of those gangs sent the message. They have the resources to pay for bespoke hacking.
Alternatively break into one of the spam sender forums and look to see if someone is retailing a new batch of 'owned' machines.
Looking for an Information Security student project suggestion?
Try http://dotcrimeManifesto.com/
maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...
With all the stories about viruses (like MiMail) being backdoors for spammers, how likely is it that organized crime has gotten involved in the computer crime business? It fits their uh, business model, pretty well -- lots of opportunity for stealing credit card info, bank info, etc. And it's not like Tony Soprano has to learn Visual Basic, either -- there's plenty of people who would either do this on their own and sell stolen info to the Mob.
One of the things they could do is start a generic programming business and hire a dozen or so coders and have them start working on a fairly generic database system. Have a manager type get to know them and figure out which might have money problems, drug problems or some other vulnerability. Once you get them 'snared', you can get them to write a trojan app, phishing site, what have you -- the Mob maintains arm's length deniability and reaps the profits.
It's been widely reported that organized crime has been deeply entrenched in Wall Street and the securities industry -- how different is the securities boilerroom from a trojan/programming boilerroom? Maybe I'm naive and they've been at this since day one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't another white collar angle for organized crime.
Tried to search for more info and came across the 1992 Doom2 virus: http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/doom2.ht
I am curious about these viruses. Are they "evolving" from older viruses? Seems like some fun research to find algorithms to track this evolution and predict/detect he next one.
Any links?
Expect Freedom.
This virus spread faster than anything I've ever seen to date - we "discovered" the virus on our system after one of our "brilliant users" forwarded an email to me that had a "clean" .zip attachment they couldn't open (they thought). I use a RedHat box as my primary workstation, so I wasn't terribly nervous about a .zip, but I ran f-prot and clamav against the file anyway and it did indeed come back clean. I re-ran the definition updates and it still came back clean.
So I unzipped it and ran strings on it. The first things I saw were sync.c and all the .DLL's at the end of the file and I figured that it was a new virus. We immediately put a cludged filter in place on our email and went looking around the 'Net for some sort of announcement of this new virus - which we found on f-secure's web site. It was about an hour later that we were able to get a signature update for our anti-virus software on our mail server and about 6 hours later before we were able to get updates for our enterprise anti-virus software (I won't mention the vendor).
We "caught" over 400 infected messages before we even had a signature for it. That was scary. But what scared me most was the thought that this could have been a "real" worm. MyDoom isn't very creative and not that harmful - making me think it was written by/for spammers, myself. But a few of my coworkers got to talking. What would have happened if this had a more creative payload and it spread via network shares as well? What if, instead of opening back doors (which made it very easy to nmap our networks for infected machines even before we had a "detection" tool) it just looked for all .xls files and randomly changed numbers. What if it then looked for .doc files and randomly added garbage, deleted words, or some other crap? How long would it be before people started realizing this was larger than just a file or two getting corrupted? By then these files have been backed up and/or forwarded to others as well.
I remember several years back now there was a virus that replaced all .jpg files with copies of itself. It about ruined a friend of mine who was trying to start a "web design" business and had thousands of images, many custom made for his clients, destroyed in an instant. It devastated him (he does good backups now).
If someone decided to get serious and release a worm with a (dare I say) "terrorist" payload. They could, literaly bring my comapny to its knees in a matter of seconds.
Now before you go off half-cocked and yell at me for "giving people ideas", take a deep breath. Almost everyone in my office was thinking along the same lines. We were discussing ways to mitigate an event like this in our own enterprise and how we could block any spread out of our networks.
We came up with the obvious: have good backups, but then we started to think about how to stop the spread out of our networks and realized that up till that point anyone could have an SMTP "server"/virus set up and send mail out. We now block ALL incomming and outgoing SMTP except the ones to and from our mail servers. We also don't allow POP or IMAP in or out except to our mail servers. If people want to check other accounts they can RPOP from our server - at least it will go through our virus and spam filters first.
If more ISP's/companies did this, the spead of MyDoom would have been slower. But how do you mitigate the effects of having a virus "corrupt" all your documents? Even if you catch it right away and restore from last night's backups (after checking ALL your computers for infection) you still lose an entire day's worth of work for many departments. That's a big setback.
MyDoom infected department heads and department "techie" people first because their users came to them with an attachment that they "couldn't open". The "techie" people explained later that they had their virus s
"terrorism" and "pedophilia" are the root passwords to the Constitution