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Amazon To Comply With Kansas Sales Tax Law

theodp writes "Online retailer Amazon.com will begin collecting sales tax on Kansans' Internet purchases in April, company officials told legislators Tuesday. Kansas' new destination-based sales tax law took effect last July."

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  1. That's too bad. by sushi_steve · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope Texas doesn't pick up on this an require sales tax on us. You can't beat no tax and free shipping on Amazon. They're prices are always decent.
    I also found it interesting that this article was written by my local newspaper. It's fun to see Fort Worth out in the world!

  2. Taxes on Internet purchases by craXORjack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who wants to pay tax and shipping when you can go to a local store and just pay tax? Plus you get the item right away. On-line retailers will have to cut into their margins even further to compete.

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    1. Re:Taxes on Internet purchases by hords · · Score: 2, Informative

      I live in Oregon, one of the few states without sales tax. So it is already pretty much that way for me. On Amazon I might purchase the hard to find items, but if you can find it local it is usually better. It's not only the extra shipping that you have to pay, it is also having to wait a few days to get your item. Plus their prices aren't all that great, they just have a huge selection.

    2. Re:Taxes on Internet purchases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The prices on amazon are usually comparable with local places in Portland (Oregon). If an item isn't at a reasonable price on Amazon, you can typically find another online retailer who *does* have a good price.

      I don't shop in the real world. I would rather order my item online - use the FREE SHIPPING that most places (such as Amazon) offer for items after a certain total (at Amazon, I think it's $50 worth of purchases) and then wait the three to five days for ground shipping. That is MUCH preferable to getting in a car. Getting gas, finding the store you need, dealing with stupid people in traffic, stupid people in the parking lot, stupid people in the aisles of the store, stupid people in line at checkout, stupid people behind the counter, stupid employees on the floor, walking around searching for the items (assuming all the items you even want are at the SAME store which they probably are NOT), etc etc...

      Plus, when I have a problem with a purchase online (ESPECIALLY AMAZON), returning it and getting a refund or credit is a breeze. Even on opened software.

      I haven't shopped in real life in a long time. I've been ordering my groceries online for four years now. 95% of my electronic/computer/tech purchases are online. I buy my clothes online. I buy EVERYTHING online.

      The one thing I *do* hate is that, while I live in sales-tax-free Oregon, I have to PAY SALES TAX on items *I IN OREGON* buy and have sent to someone in, say California. So even though *I* am the one buying the birthday or christmas gift, I have to pay the sales tax as if I were the person in another state. I find that to be total bullshit.

      If my state started charging a sales tax, I would just stop buying anything except groceries and clothing. There is no reason that my $3,000 computer should cost an extra $300 just to line some asshole's pockets in government.

  3. Well its only fair... by shaka999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't like to pay taxes anymore than the next guy but I've always felt a little bad for the brick and motar stores. Not taxing online stores gave them an unfair advantage.

    An online store should have to have efficient enough in their operations to run on lower mark-up so that their price + shipping + tax is less than an old brick and motar (price + tax).

    In an ideal world the tax rate would go down when more items are taxed (i.e. a revenue neutral change). Of course we all know the increase in tax actually goes to fund someone pissing in a cup and calling it art or maybe a few more jets to fight a cold war that has been over for years...

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    1. Re:Well its only fair... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering the fact that you cannot physically see a product online before you buy it nor can you take it home with you right away, I would say online stores don't have that much of an unfair advantage just because they can cut the price a little bit without sales tax. Especially since shipping charges more than make up for the tax in most cases. Unless I find a really good deal online, I buy from a physical store. Combine this with the people who are too scared or too computer illiterate to shop online, I think brick and mortar stores overall have many advantages over online only stores.

    2. Re:Well its only fair... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 3, Insightful
      There's no way brick and mortar stores beat online. Going to your local book store is great if you want John Grisham's latest book, but when was the last time you saw Ash: A Secret History by Mary Gentle or The Prestige by Christopher Priest in a local bookstore? Or how about even Call of Cthulhu and other Weird Stories by Lovecraft? These are not obscure titles in any way, yet it's impossible to find any of them in a physical store.

      Amazon.com has free shipping on books over $25; Chapters.ca and amazon.ca have free shipping over $39 CAD. If you wait until you have two or three books you want to buy, you can get free shipping, plus amazon.ca (at least) has online coupons, usually $5 off on an order. Sure, it takes about a week to get here, but it saves a ton of cash.

      Every year I spend between $500-1000 on books, and all of that money (save one or two books locally) is spent on online booksellers. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I save a few hundred dollars on books every year just for waiting a few days for a shipment to show up. Bottom line: if you want to save money, buy online.

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  4. If all states don't cooperate, double tax? by Godeke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This could be interesting if some states insist on collecting point of sales tax, and others insist on collecting point of delivery tax. If all states are not using a single system, it would seem that some combinations would cause you to have to pay for both states... that would kill any reason to order online or from catalogs.

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  5. No Tax is not No Tax by jackb_guppy · · Score: 3, Informative

    What people miss is that, if the store does not collect tax (no tax) then the buy still needs to pay the tax.

    Interstate shipping is viewed more as wholesaler transfer. When you buy out state, you are importing goods to your state. If you "consume" them then you pay the local tax on the "consumation" based on your price. If you sell them retail, you collect the tax and pay that.

    This is what business have done for years.

    It is what you should be doing today.

    1. Re:No Tax is not No Tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      What people miss is that, if the store does not collect tax (no tax) then the buy still needs to pay the tax.

      Ohio has a Use Tax to cover things like mail order purchasing that works the way you mention. They have a nice little line on the state income tax every year asking you to declare any out of *county* purchases. You have to pay the difference between your local county's sales tax and the rate you paid where you bought the item. I.e. if I drive to a county where the tax is 6% (my local is 8%) I need to pay 2% in use tax). If I buy something over the Internet from California I need to pay 8% use tax on that. Personally I doubt anyone has ever paid this and I consider it my own little middle-class loophole. I get fucked in the ass enough by the government while the rich get off paying practically nothing. They can deal with me buying computer parts online without paying sales tax.

  6. The have to... by zulux · · Score: 3, Informative



    Amazon has a distribution center in Kansas. Other companies that don't have a presence can safly ignore Kansas law.

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    1. Re:The have to... by eht · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sales and Use Taxes in Kansas

      Granted it's nto a government publication, but I quote "Use tax. In Kansas the use tax supplements the sales tax. The use tax is levied upon people that are using, storing, or consuming in Kansas any article of tangible personal property that has not been subjected to sales or use tax by any state. Thus, the use tax is also referred to as the "compensating tax."

      If you ordered something online from Pennsylvania and didn't pay a sales tax to PA, you owe a use tax to Kansas.

  7. Internet Taxes by TSage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First, I'll come out and say my philosophical leanings are definitely libertarian. So anyone who dislikes such people for going horribly against their personal views should probably stop now. ;)

    OK, I've never quite understood sales taxes to begin with. Because of my philosophy, I'd just assume that it's just greedy governments wanting more. However, I'll set that aside if someone can point out a rather good reason.

    The thing is, it would have to be some pretty good reasoning for me because there are a number of problems with sales taxes. One, they are regressive and hurt those whom the government is trying to help. Two, I hate walking into a store buying something and then realizing it cost me more than I really wanted because I forgot to add 5% (right now I'm in a place where the local option tazes bring it up to 8.5%!). I mean it's a borderline rip-off that they don't show the tax price.

    Now to get onto the topic of internet taxes: I've seen people here on Slashdot say that Amazon, et al should pay sales taxes just like every other store that sells in a state, but I don't buy that (pun not intended). They bring up the fact that those delivery trucks go over roads and therefore sales taxes are paying for that. The hole in that, though, is that UPS pays corporate income taxes, property taxes, etc. and the person buying the good also pays their share of taxes. This is when it seems like the government likes to count money twice and tax it three times.

    I'm quite willing to listen to anyone who does support sales taxes if they can offer a good reasoning behind them. Please, do not come out and attack me for my beliefs; you will only hurt any argument you could make and just polarize my own beliefs.

    TSage

    1. Re:Internet Taxes by clintp · · Score: 2, Informative
      OK, I've never quite understood sales taxes to begin with.
      The way I've always had it described to me is that sales taxes are how a state can raise funds proportional to its economy.

      Sales taxes are one of the most practical ways of doing this. Determining taxes at the point of manufacture is dicey (when is an automobile really "built"? when the engine is inserted? what's a car without bumpers really worth?) and collecting taxes during wholesale is impractical because goods can be transferred more than once among wholesalers.

      But at the point of sales it's easy: there's a fixed price, discreet items being sold, a single transaction, and the state collects the taxes from the retailer so the consumer doesn't have to keep records or be relied on to report the transaction. And since retailers are generally licensed, the state knows who they are.

      They're a pain in the ass for retailers to keep track of, because typically some items are non-taxable (food, services, clothes, varies from taxing authority to taxing authority) and some consumers are exempt from sales taxes (churches, gub'mint buyers, again varies...etc). Back in the 80's I was writing Point Of Sales software, and this stuff made it a lot more complex than it needed to be.

      [Personally, I can't stand sales taxes. Michigan had a 4% sales tax, and for some screwball reason raised it to 6% about 10 years ago. Foolish voters. (I was a non-resident at the time.)]
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    2. Re:Internet Taxes by abohart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except in states that have no State income tax, this is, for all intents and purposes, double taxation. Triple taxation if you count what the Feds take out of your paycheck!!

  8. Use Tax by kaszeta · · Score: 2, Informative
    What people miss is that, if the store does not collect tax (no tax) then the buy still needs to pay the tax.

    Usually this is the case, and it's called a "Use Tax" levied by the state where the items are going.

    The biggest problem with Use Taxes is that they are hard to enforce. For example in my area (VT/NH border area), a substantial fraction (well over 80%) of the retail businesses in the border area are all on the NH side, so much of Vermont shops over here to avoid the VT sales tax (we don't mind much, it brings in business). Of course, in reality, everything they buy over here that they drag back over the border is subject to the Vermont Use tax (which is the same value as the sales tax), so if they are being completely legal there is no price advantage at all. The problem is that Use Tax is so hard to track, that all the state of Vermont does is have a line on your taxes to report all this stuff, and they rely on your honesty to report it all. Of course, a simple polling of the Vermonters I know show that, unsurprisingly, nobody reports any realistic values, so the tax goes mostly uncollected.

    This situation is similar in many other border areas, although usually the tax rate differential is even lower, meaning there is less motivation for the state to enforce it.

    The ideal solution is to either (a) figure out a way to enforce it (which is what many states are trying to do with online retailers), or (b) give up on it and find a way to tax that is halfway enforceable.

  9. Actually Amazon was covered under the "nexus" by multiplexo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    decision handed down by the Supreme Court. Amazon maintains a distribution center in Coffeyville, KS, meaning that they have a physical nexus in Kansas and thus are required to charge sales tax to residents of Kansas, just as they are required to charge sales tax to the residents of Washington State where the corporate headquarters are located.

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  10. Re:wow so many taxes for so few people.. by sfjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I just don't get why people are so pissed about taxes. I make a decent wage and don't mind paying a few bucks to feed hungry people, fix the potholes, buy some modern textbooks or give a kid a free doctor visit a few times a year. I do get pissed about welfare payments to corporations or multi-billion dollar aircraft carriers but I figure it's the part of the cost of paying to fix the potholes.

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