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BBC Links Linux To MyDoom

minus_273 writes "It seems the BBC has a story on their front page titled 'Linux cyber-battle turns nasty', very specifically linking Linux users to the MyDoom virus. Some lines to note: 'If anyone's anger has no measure, it is the wrath of internet zealots who believe that code should be free to all (open source). So, it seems likely that the perpetrators of the MyDoom virus and its variants are internet vandals with a specific grudge.'"

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  1. A Good Sign? by RandomLinguist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would argue that this violent reactionism is one sign that OSS is on the verge of mainstream acceptance. Throughout history, as new ideas have supplanted older, closely held ones, the group that holds fast to those practices and principles becomes more and more marginalized and reacts by lashing out viciously. Could this be the case here? I think it is. Hopefully these opposing voices will continue to get smaller and more violent, alienating even more people from their cause. Besides, who can argue with free publicity?

    Also, I, being a 'run-of-the-mill geek', am quite flattered that I now have the ability to gleefully (and apparently psychotically) 'wreak damage' on people's computers. Guess I picked that up and didn't even realize...
    [BBC: "Deep in the darkness of the psyche, vandals and arsonists no doubt have their reasons - and so, presumably, do the run-of-the-mill geeks who wreak damage on the unsuspecting computer user."]

  2. Re:Complain by q.kontinuum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wrote some feedback:

    >>>>>>>>>>
    There are several points completele missed in this article. Evidence for my claims is given by the links mentioned below.

    1) The main function of the worm is not to attack SCO Servers but to turn the infected desctop into a remote controlled robot with a keylogger.

    2) The worm is _very_ likely not written by a private person in his freetime but by the russian Spam mafia wich needs those remotely controlled desktops as mail-relays to send spam.

    3) The big majority of the Linux-Community does not think at all that all Software (or even all Operating Systems) have to remain free. They just expect that a license applied to a software is to be honored. This claim should be valid for any license, even the GPL.

    http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/010 4/ 28worm.html
    http://www.messagelabs.com/news/virus news/detail/d efault.asp?contentItemId=733&region=america

    For more evidence about the complete voidness of SCOs IP-Claims information is gahtered at

    http://www.groklaw.net

    All information there is elaborated and with information where the source of the information is.

    regards

    PS: I'm a progammer earning my money with closed source. That does not hinder me to be a fan of Open Source products and to publish something once in a while.

    Hope, it was politely enough and the spelling ok. I'm a native German, was never very well in foreign languages.

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  3. Re:Pretty hilarious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bill Thompson (BBC Technology Guy) spins conspiricy stories that suit /. frequently... they generally appear on the front page and are applauded by the posting community.

  4. Re:Read the article in full by windside · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Although you're right, the journalist has buried the "no proof" statement deep in the article after making countless statements that do affirmatively link MyDoom to Linux (including the subtitle of the article).

    I have a lot of respect for the BBC as a news source, but this is a fine example of poor, lazy journalism. Considering the fact that scores of readers don't make it past the first few paragraphs of any given article, it's also deceitful and misleading.

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  5. Re:Why I'm not surprised... by silentbozo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whoever modded the above comment flamebait should be ashamed. The BBC has historically been a good source of news, but has been roundly criticized in recent years for taking a more commercial (and, as some have indicated, sensationalist) slant to its coverage. The resignation of 3 BBC principals in the past few weeks are an indication what this new direction has cost the BBC.

    Fact of the matter is, where is the proof? The correspondent himself says "There's no proof, of course, but it must be one of the theories at the top of any investigator's list.", referring to the thesis of his article, that "The MyDoom virus represents a new level of sophistication in attacks on company websites. It is also a new front in a war waged by those who want to preserve the open-source Linux operating system."

    On one hand, he says there's no proof. On the other hand, the tagline accuses open source as the origination of the MyDoom worm, and slyly insinuates that the reason for this worm is revenge against SCO. This isn't investigative journalism. This isn't even biased reporting of somebody's opinion. This is rumor-mill gossip, and somebody ought to call the BBC on it.

  6. Re:Complain by AJC1973 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've also complained - text below

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    Dear BBC,
    Your story "Linux cyber-battle turns nasty" by Stephen Evans has caused me to write in to point out a number of issues with both the tone of the story and the "facts" portrayed by it.

    Firstly, Mr Evans has stated that the virus was unleashed by Linux advocates to damage SCO. He has stated this as a fact, not an allegation. The MyDoom virus has, in fact, been traced back to Russia and is believed to be the work of organised crime. Most reputable news sources have reported this and it saddens me that the BBC, which I have always believed to be one of the best news sources, has fallen down badly in this respect, reporting an unsubstantiated allegation (which was easily checked) as fact.

    He also states the virus is written specifically to take down SCO's servers. It is not. It appears designed to turn desktops into remote controlled robots that log keystrokes (such as credit card details) and act as spam relays. Thus it would be of great use to organised crime.

    He further states that "internet zealots ... believe that code should be free to all (open source)." They do not. "Open source" means that the source code may be viewed. It does not mean that it is free. It can be checked worldwide and modified (under license) as needed by individuals, corporations and countries.

    Overall, the story appears to be slanted unquestioningly against the Open Source community, accepting allegations as facts and ignoring available contradictory evidence. Could you explain why this line has been taken?

    It does seem to me to fall well short of the BBC's standards of reporting. It also fails to highlight the largest concern that may affect your readers - the fact that the virus turns their machines into remote controlled traitors, logging their keystrokes (and jeopardising their privacy and any banking details) and relaying illegal spam. A reference to the story of the Dorset father who lost custody of his daughter after a similar trojan deposited child pornography on his computer, acting as a safe remote storage site from a technologically skilled pervert, would not have gone amiss here , to highlight the severity of the case and remind your readers to take care online.

    For information on SCO's IP claims against Linux, please see www.groklaw.net.

  7. There are numerous errors by csk_1975 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, what an article, it brings journalistic research and factual accuracy to new lows with some baseless assertions thrown in for good measure. I thought the BBC just got spanked over poor journalism.

    Factual Errors:-

    1. "bringing down its website with a barrage of emails"

    The MyDoom virus used a barrage of HTTP requests to bring the www.sco.com website down. Websites and mail systems are different, they use different protocols, ports and servers. The virus spread by email, it *did not* use email to perform a DDOS on www.sco.com.

    2. "Two years ago, SCO claimed that it owned more than 800,000 lines of the system which had always been available for free and to anyone since its invention in 1991."

    This is actually a few errors in one, bravo!

    "Two years ago" - This is incorrect, SCO first claimed that Linux contained improperly contributed Unix code in early 2003, this is not two years ago! At that time it did not claim "more than 800,000 lines" that came later.

    "...claimed 800,000" - SCO expanded its PR claims in mid 2003 to include the "more than 800,000 lines" quote. This is only 6-7 months ago, not two years ago.

    "since 1991" - SCO has claimed that contributions to the Linux kernel post v2.4 impinge on its rights - this is not the code from 1991. It has not yet claimed rights to any of the 1991 code!

    3. "On top of that, SCO has sued IBM, accusing it of using SCO property because it too uses Linux."

    SCO has sued IBM over a contract dispute, it has not sued IBM because it uses Linux! SCO has claimed that IBM has used Unix methods and trade secrets improperly in its contributions to Linux (SCO claims it is a succesor in interest to Unix copyrights, methods and trade secrets which Novell sold to Tarantella - this is also in dispute).

    4. "Despite the law-suits against users by SCO,"

    SCO has not sued any Linux users. It has sued IBM, it has been counter sued by IBM, Red Hat has sued SCO, SCO has sued Novell. At no time has SCO sued a Linux user.

    5. "Meanwhile the court dispute between SCO and Linux users (rather than the cyberspace war between SCO and the hackers) is scheduled for next year in a court in Utah."

    There is no court dispute between SCO and Linux users (see above).

    So most of the article is factually incorrect, and then he casts baseless assertions with a follow up disclaimer.

    "There seems little doubt that SCO was targeted - illegally and unacceptably, lest anyone be in any doubt - because it has enraged many people devoted to the Linux operating system"

    "There's no proof, of course, but it must be one of the theories at the top of any investigator's list."

    What sort of journalism is this? This should be in a crappy tabloid not a government owned and respected news service.

  8. Re:Why I'm not surprised... by doomy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Well, I would not go so far as to judge BBC based on this report by Stephen Evans. Wait out and see what happens. This is not the first time Mr. Evans has tainted a community in order to paint his finaincal backers in a better light.

    Here is a piece that comes from Lessig and was found in Free Sklyarov mailing list.


    Wednesday, and the BBC Today programme's Stephen Evans files
    a shock exclusive revealing how European politicians pirated
    popular music - by refusing to raise the duration of copyright
    beyond fifty years. The piece, a barely concealed plug for
    EMI's attempts to get Euro copyright limits upped to the 95
    years of the recent US, was shocking and exclusive only in
    the sense of being shockingly exclusive to one side of the
    story. Evans, most famous for being that BBC correspondent
    in the WTC on September 11th, commiserated with EMI that
    their hard-earned 1950s properties might be finally be
    free for everyone to enjoy via the criminal practices of the
    public domain and European law. "Why should companies invest
    big money now to record the classics of tomorrow if they
    *can't keep the profits they make*?" he pondered. Even
    Laughing Larry Lessig - prompted by the righteous hordes of
    the Brass Eye mailing list - chipped in to marvel at the
    bias of the show. You'd think that the Todayians would know
    that there might be at least some controversy on the topic -
    especially when their own higher-ups are talking to Lessig
    about reforming the BBC's own copyrights to be a bit more
    public domain friendly. Less of the nation speaking unto nation:
    maybe the BBC's left hand could have a word with the right?
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  9. Re:Why I'm not surprised... by TheFrood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fact of the matter is, where is the proof? The correspondent himself says "There's no proof, of course, but it must be one of the theories at the top of any investigator's list.", referring to the thesis of his article, that "The MyDoom virus represents a new level of sophistication in attacks on company websites. It is also a new front in a war waged by those who want to preserve the open-source Linux operating system."

    At present, the opening line of the article reads "... It also looks like a new front in a war..." Assuming you're quoting accurately, someone at the BBC must have decided to tone the statement down a bit. It's still irresponsible journalism, though.

    TheFrood

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  10. The page has changed. by BuilderBob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had the page loaded in the browser and blindly reloaded the page (not sure why), something changed!

    I'm not sure how much changed but the line you quoted is now

    The MyDoom virus has triggered a new wave of attacks on company websites.

    Apparently, it was last updated 10 hours ago, which is wrong by about 9 hours.

    The attack also raises the possibility of internet blackmail, with companies threatened by individuals or even an individual who might be anywhere.

    Say what now?

    BB

  11. Re:USE THE FEEDBACK FORM, LUKE!! by mysticgoat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thanks for providing a link to the form. Here is what I just sent:

    Doubtless you are getting a lot of complaints about Stephen Evans' "Linux cyber-battle turns nasty". This is yet another.

    I am not a Linux zealot. After 14 years of making my living selling my skills with MS DOS and MS Windows OSs, I am just beginning to learn Linux. Why? To quote someone else: "It's free. It works. Doh." As I hope to continue to make my living with my computer skills, it is simply time for me to learn the OS that will dominate the next decade.

    Linux advocates as a group have no need to get aggressive against SCO or any of those who choose to regard Linux as their enemy. The faith in the Open Software paradigm is strong. Those who work with Linux know that if there is indeed any tainted code in it, it would only be a matter of rewriting the affected components. There is a strong desire to see SCO actually say what the code is that they think they bought rights of ownership to.

    I am very disappointed that BBC has been manipulated into spreading this FUD. I had higher expectations of its editorial judgment.
  12. The achieved results and possible causes by GnuDiff · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If we take a look at the virus and some of the things it has caused from a specific standpoint - reputations:
    1. SCO website down - does it hurt their business? I guess not much, however, it does give them good publicity - that of a victim; Link #1 for Linux (Linuxoid SCO haters).
    2. Microsoft website targeted but not down -- good publicity for Microsoft; Link #2 for Linux (Linuxoid MS haters).
    3. Millions of losses and aggravated users - extremely bad publicity for the virus and people associated with it, of course;
    So, the net effect of the virus has certainly hurt the reputation of Linux/OpSrc world, because its targets can try to link the virus to L/OS by its choice of targets.

    Based on the current knowledge of the virus and the above, I would say there are 3 basic motivations for the virus creator(s):

    1. Spammers testing their tools, as indicated in the above /. comments. In that case SCO/MS attack would simply be a way to have publicity for checking to see how their virus is doing.
    2. A zealot trying to hurt SCO/MS. In that case he was very dumb -- of course it is not impossible though, so we can't rule this possibility out.
    3. It was a publicity stunt by Microsoft. Could be linked to first motivation too. Note that the net effect of the virus for Microsoft has been beneficial PR wise. After all, their systems withstood the attack -- never mind it was said that the attack on MS was much weaker.
    Noting also that the virus creator has had considerable Windows programming skills (which is not the experience generally associated with OpenSource programmers), I believe that the 3d motivation is not entirely impossible either. Especially if it was linked with first.
  13. Re:Why I'm not surprised... by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have provided this comment to them in the feedback form they have provided. The BBC are good at listening to comments by the viewers/readers.

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    This particular story is factually incorrect, and details contained within could be used inappropriatly.

    As it stands there is no evidence to prove that Linux users created this virus. Thats just consequential speculation.

    FACT 1: In fact all the major developers of the Linux Kernal and the wider Opensource/Free Software movement have been very quick to condemn the actions of the Virus writer and have gone on record to disassociate themselves from the actions of the writer. This invalidates the implication in the report saying that Linux Developer

    FACT 2: The major antivirus vendors and security have formed the conclusion the attack on SCO and Microsoft were most likely a "smokescreen". The main purpose of the virus is that of a Trojan for stealing credit card, and other security info.The attacks on SCO appears to be a topical divertion.

    FACT 3: Open Source advocates to not believe all software should be "free" as in free in price. It advocates freedom in development, and access to code. It works on the belief that software will be of higher quality if the development is open allowing anyone access to the code in the help for fixing bugs and adding features. The software itself can be "charged for". It is the difference between free in price, and free in freedom.

    FACT 4: Open source advocates are NOT activists on a par with terrorists, etc as your report suggests. Open source advocates act on their principles by creating software that follows their ideals, such as the Linux Kernel, the GNU system, the Apache webserver (used by the BBC), Mozilla Web Browser (used by AOL and Netscape), Sendmail (used to deliver the majority of internet email), the BIND server (used to resolve DNS names, vital for operation of the Internet).

    FACT 5: the implication that Linux developers are teenage geeks working in garages is also incorrect. Sure it started as a enthusiasts Operating System, however currently developers and contributers to Linux now include major firms such as, IBM, HP, Silicon Graphics, NASA, Oracle, Samsung, and even SCO.

    Please read the GrokLaw website at http://www.groklaw.net/ which assists in making clear the legal and historical contexts of Linux, as well as the hidden danger of publishing misguided articles like this.

    Best Regards,

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  14. Re:USE THE FEEDBACK FORM, LUKE!! by CaptainAlbert · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A bit late to the party, but here is my response:


    I am writing to complain about the story entitled "Linux cyber-battle turns nasty" which appeared recently on your website. I have selected to file my comment under "Complaints", rather than "Factual Errors", because this article contains much more insinuation, speculation and hearsay than it does facts.

    Your reporter writes of the MyDoom virus, "It is also looks like [sic] a new front in a war waged by those who want to preserve the open-source Linux operating system". Well, appearances can be deceptive. A list of "those who wish to preserve Linux" would include companies like IBM, Novell, HP, and Motorola; universities like MIT, Stanford, Oxford, and Imperial College London; plus governments, businesses, schools and individuals all around the world. To imply that all these people are somehow complicit in the dissemination of a computer virus is insulting and dangerous, let alone downright ridiculous.

    He goes on to mention the "dark psyches" of the "run-of-the-mill geeks who wreak damage on the unsuspecting computer user". I have known many self-confessed geeks, most of them run-of-the-mill, and never met one who didn't despise the writers of viruses. You should note that a virus is usually the work of a very few people -- often, just one -- and not of a "community". Nevertheless, your reporter insists on smearing the name of the Open Source movement by insinuating that they are common criminals to a man, comparing them to "vandals" and "arsonists". No source is provided for this allegation, and no effort is made to solicit the opinions of the members of the community who are being accused of supporting this attack.

    So, the one-sidedness continues. We are told that "If anyone's anger has no measure, it is the wrath of internet zealots who believe that code should be free to all". This statement is pure tabloid journalism. It paints a picture of Linux users which, in my extensive experience of them, could not be further from the truth. As for readers who have not met a Linux user before, are they supposed to take it on trust that they are all angry, irrational people who will unleash (with the fervour of Islamic fundamentalists) terrifying cyber-attacks on anyone who disagrees with their philosophy? What a careless figure of speech!

    The nonsense continues. "... it seems likely that the perpetrators of the MyDoom virus and its variants are internet vandals with a specific grudge", he writes, starting to give up on the pretence that his "story" is in fact no more than a rough guess fleshed out with a few hundred words of opinionated drivel.

    He goes on, "SCO is the big, bad company that violates one of their sacred principles, as they would see it". This man should be writing propoganda speeches, not reporting on business news! He invokes the childish "Big Bad Wolf" image which, as the subjunctive "would see" then implies, the poor deluded open source community must be imagining.

    Aha! "There's no proof, of course" gets sneaked in underneath the standard "but it must be one of the theories" get-out clause. I cringe when I see trumped-up speculation like this in The Daily Mail; please don't let the BBC start inflicting it on me as well.

    In fact, from this entire article, I found just one paragraph with which I could almost agree. It read:

    "There seems little doubt that SCO was targeted - illegally and unacceptably, lest anyone be in any doubt - because it has enraged many people devoted to the Linux operating system."

    How your reporter made the jump between this fact -- that SCO's current unpopularity was the likely to be the reason they were targetted in preference to, say, Logica -- and his conclusion that the Open Source community is a hive of scum and villainy, I may never know. Ah, who knows what lurks Deep in the Darkness of the Psyche...

    I have always trusted the BBC to bring me interesting, well-researched news and impartial, educated comment. This article, with its fact-light, speculative content, its one-sided, simplistic argument and its sensationalist, cliche-ridden style, disappointed me more than anything I have ever read or heard from the BBC.

    Thank-you for your time.
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