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Review: KDE 3.2
Anonymous writes "Today I installed KDE 3.2, third major release of the award winning KDE3 desktop platform, on my Fedora box. I have been using KDE 3.2 RC for the past few days and the final version from today. My first impression is 'wow.'"
First KDE positive story in Slashdot?
But Gnome + GTK is adding a far, far better file selector to GTK2.4. KDE is going to have more problems persuading QT to stop its current business model...
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No mention of KJuk being a COMPLETE RIP-OFF of iTunes? Come on...we couldn't have even come up with a different interface?
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No matter how you slice it, Gnome and it's bevy of window managers (that change every freakin' version) sucks. The Gnome apps are the only things that are worth a shit, the rest of gnome is a hacked together piece of crap.
QT is less free than Linux because of the derived works issue. Projects using QT are counted as derived works of QT, and hence MUST be licensed under the GPL. Projects running on Linux aren't counted as derived works, and so can pick whatever license they choose. Therefore the Linux kernel is much closer in freedom to an LGPL'd toolkit like GTK than it is to a GPL'd toolkit like QT.
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The Gnome folks are a bunch of pretentious, corporate wankers.
He made a wise choice by using an up to date distro like Fedora. Debian is a piece of crap. Don't even bother upgrading to this version of KDE on Debian.
With all that said, KDE roolz Gnome Droolz
.. soon there will be NATIVE (not X11) KDE for the MAC.
So , no contest
Gnome really does suck , I hate the time it takes me when i setup a Fedora machine that it takes to de-Gnome it.
And then it has a crippled KDE anyway.
Setupp Debian with real KDE and it rocks,
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No contest
Cheers
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The work the KDE team has done is great, but... (*deep breath*)
Before you go off and mod this a troll, stop and think about the idea. Why are we mimicking Windows? Or anything, for that matter? By mimicking Windows, aren't we simply reinforcing bad habits that Redmond introduced 10 years ago? If we all agree that Windows' GUI is sub-optimal, why are we expending so much time and energy attempting to replicate it, point for point?
I'd be sort of interested to see the point in KDE's history where this debate took place, if it ever did.. It certainly should have.
It's just frustrating to see so much work go into being the desktop equivalent of an Elvis impersonator, when we could easilly challenge (or even trump!) the real Elvis.. We've built an enterprise-class OS from scratch...You'd think that a good GUI would be trivial.
Anyway, as far as I know, neither GNOME nor KDE's team offer a skunk-works forum to discuss and develop new and different ideas. Quite the contrary. New ideas tend to be ridiculed and quickly dismissed. It's sort of odd, given how many truly creative people there are working on these respective projects.
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And that in a nutshell is why companies that expect to sell to enterprises are selecting Gnome by default (Sun, RedHat, UserLinux), and why Novell will almost certainly use Gnome as a default for their distro that they will aim at enterprises. It's a hard enough step to convince corps to adopt Linux on the desktop, asking them to GPL everything they create in-house for that desktop is stupid.
Of course Novell/Xandros/etc shipping KDE could bundle QT licenses or expect enterprise customers to develop GTK apps while using a QT environment... but that seems a losing strategy to me in the long run. KDE on the home user desktop is just fine (except for how ugly KDE looks but that is a matter of opinion of course) -- but a company targeting enterprise customers and uses QT is Just Plain Suicidal(TM).
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~/.kde/share/applink/* is the directory for my Kmenu entires?!? What the heck kind of naming scheme is that?! Yeah, that directory path really tells me what goes there.
How about something like: ~/kde/Kmenu Entries/*
I suppose I'll just have to install the desktop and see for myself since all I'm getting here is apologetics. Maybe some day Linux users will get out of denial that their software is hard to use.
Mod me a troll. It doesn't matter.
You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
-aka Kde 3.2
.. and I couldnt modify ANYTHING! GRR!! --> BALETED!!
Hello! Have you people actually tried using kde3.2 for more than a couple of hours? Its so Borken its not even fnnuy. Its slow-the-fuck-down factor is so high, its INSANE! Ive had it slow-the-fuck-down from leaving it running too long, or doing something irregular. Eg: Tried to mount a usb drive that wasnt plugged in yet (oops!)... so it sits there with a bouncing hourglass for 10 minutes, then i Xkiled the empty window (bad move) and after that it was like HOLY MOLASSES IN JANUARY!! Told it to "Shut Down", went down the street, got a coffee, and when i got back it was BORKED. The error logfile was like: "We've taken a critical hit! We're goin down! Ahh!!! NOoO!! *THUD* "
Possible Reason?? --> ITS Full of evil little bugs waiting to happen! Thousands of them! Theyre ammassing and creating a resistance known as the "Resistee". Yeah, i know.. thats a stupid name.. Seriously, i hope the KDE team does more RC releases and tries to fix it up completely, because they're really close to having 'the bestest W.M. EVER!' come on Kde! You can do it!
The updates for kde 3.14 released in January (not december) were the same way; and kdelibs had a fight with alsa.
Although, last time i used a "New" version of Gnome, it locked up SO MUCH
As of now, i use Fluxbox - its really really fast, it never gets errors (except for that one error involving a half-eaten mustard sandwich..) and it can usurp as much KDE coolness as i want... i really dont understand why it can utilize kde so much more effeciently than kde itself...
In fluxbox if you make a menu item to mount a drive, and it cant mount the drive, what happens? NOTHING!! If you get an error in a program like koneueror? It exits immediately!
DAMN STRAIGHT!
What you can't believe is that someone put a dent in your shining zealot fanboy armor with some simple facts. Raise eyebrows in Cupertino, indeed.
The latest KDE releases use fontconfig/Xft/Freetype to render fonts
Really? Wow, I didn't know that. And only 5 years late, too!
This means that you get *way* better looking font rendering than Windows
*way* better? Really? Wow! Better than ClearType? WOW!!!
"Real" window transparency (whatever that means) is available now via Kdrive, and will be integrated into the X.org server shortly.
"Real" means real, nothing more and nothing less. As in Windows 2000/XP and OS X. You'd think that for KDE to claim this "feature" (whatever that means) maybe they could have "really" implemented it, eh? I mean, instead of drawing whatever's behind the top-level window? Much hilarity ensues when you move them around!!
Oh, and "shortly"... does that mean "real soon now, maybe this year if we can stop the infighting and no one else forks X"? I thought so.
Go crawl back under your bridge.
There's a white substance on your face, you better wipe it off. No, don't thank me.
Spaces in file and directory names are more intuitive. If your OS had a real filesystem, like NTFS, then you would see the point.