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What If Dark Matter Really Doesn't Exist?

sonar67 writes "According to The Economist: 'It was beautiful, complex and wrong. In 150AD, Ptolemy of Alexandria published his theory of epicycles--the idea that the moon, the sun and the planets moved in circles which were moving in circles which were moving in circles around the Earth. This theory explained the motion of celestial objects to an astonishing degree of precision. It was, however, what computer programmers call a kludge: a dirty, inelegant solution. Some 1,500 years later, Johannes Kepler, a German astronomer, replaced the whole complex edifice with three simple laws. Some people think modern astronomy is based on a kludge similar to Ptolemy's. At the moment, the received wisdom is that the obvious stuff in the universe--stars, planets, gas clouds and so on--is actually only 4% of its total content. About another quarter is so-called cold, dark matter, which is made of different particles from the familiar sort of matter, and can interact with the latter only via gravity. The remaining 70% is even stranger. It is known as dark energy, and acts to push the universe apart. However, the existence of cold, dark matter and dark energy has to be inferred from their effects on the visible, familiar stuff. If something else is actually causing those effects, the whole theoretical edifice would come crashing down.'"

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  1. I Wish I Was a Scientist by Babbster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Much like a dog staring at a shiny object, I'm fascinated by this but I don't understand it.

    1. Re:I Wish I Was a Scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think I can help - here's a translation of the article: "Physicists are not quite sure what's going on."

    2. Re:I Wish I Was a Scientist by OECD · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even if you don't understand it, you can always find nuggets like this:

      The Newton observations are at the limits of accuracy, so a mistake could have crept in.

      The next time I've got to report on something, you can bet that my estimations will be at "the limits of accuracy."

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  2. 70% Dark force!? by rafael_es_son · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jedi don't stand a chance.

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    1. Re:70% Dark force!? by MyHair · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jedi don't stand a chance.

      Don't worry. Dark Jedi are like Republicans: When become all-powerful they then turn on each other and restore balance.

  3. Well... by Kethinov · · Score: 4, Funny
    What If Dark Matter Really Doesn't Exist?
    Then Star Trek has a lot of episodes to rewrite...
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  4. All I know is... by npistentis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dark matter had better exist- otherwise, I've wasted a hell of a lot of money on that dark matter damage insurance I bought a couple years back...

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  5. Most excellent by anandamide · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then I can walk down the hall in the middle of the night without fear of stepping on my little boy's building blocks.

  6. Re:what if theory didn't exist? by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well actually knowledge of its existence and how much of it exists will determine whether or not the Universe eventually implodes on itself in the "Big Crunch" or whether the universe will keep expanding at the speed of light forever. So technically speaking, "in the long run" it will matter quite a bit :)
    Regards,
    Steve

  7. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Zoolander · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's what I love about physics: it's so out there that you'd think the person who just said something like that was smoking crack, if he didn't have a PhD.
    Gravity bleeding between universes...
    Who needs science fiction?

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  8. Umm....OK? by mhesseltine · · Score: 4, Funny

    The parent is either the most insightful thing ever posted, or the biggest bunch of doubletalk crap I've ever read.

    Would someone please translate this and tell me what the hell is being said?

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  9. of fudge factors and relativity, a modest treatise by swschrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    well, let's see here. 4% of postulated matter in the universe is known to exist. 96% of postulated matter in the universe is NOT known to exist. that's a fine fudge factor to have in a test, and might explain where budget figures come from in the government :-D

    it certainly explains where a lot of my assignments come from at work, lol :-D

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  10. Re:what if theory didn't exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> think about it - 1500 years wasted trying to make epicycles work.

    Dang, their billable hours must have krunked the project.

    Maybe if we wait another year the program will halt...?

    Too bad they were so bent on epicycles, TRON has a much cooler cycle game and it works!

    (-1, troll)

  11. Re:Brief History... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Funny
    If you're really a scientist, then presumably you've had some sort of statistics class in your life. Please explain how it's relevent whether you personally or anyone you know has been surveyed.

    As a scientist, I'm sure you can completely explain this mathematically, as a scientist should.

    Oh wait, you're not a scientist. Oh well.

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  12. Re:what if theory didn't exist? by JWW · · Score: 5, Funny

    No its not, it just has a lot of "dark content" that you can't see but which weighs heavily against its moderation. ... really sorry, I couldn't resist.

  13. Ah, but it does... by Captain+Tripps · · Score: 5, Funny
    Haven't you read the Hitchhiker's Guide?
    There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers just exactly what the universe is for and why we are here, that it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
    1. Re:Ah, but it does... by Decimal+Dave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait; I thought this had already happened...?

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  14. Re:What if the universe IS a kludge? by Coulson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Welcome to the world of neuro-bio! Whoever built our brains didn't know jack about maintainability. They're a bloody mess! Unused functions left around from previous versions. Disabled features. Appalling code reuse. Oh sure, there are some beautiful optimizations, and the system architecture has a certain elegance -- but the implementation is crap.

    If an omniscient power built us, I hope He/She wrote in a high-level language and then compiled with some heavy optimizations turned on (-oGOD?). If They were hand-rolling this shit, I'd like to have a word or two with Them.

  15. Even inaccurate theories have value by Compass+Man · · Score: 5, Funny

    This thread misses an important point. Even though Ptolemy's theory was wrong, it was a lot closer to the truth than previous ideas like "the lights in the sky are gods with flashlights." The point is that even theories that are wrong add to our knowledge by providing a starting place for deeper inquiries.