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SimpleTech Announces 8GB Compact Flash Card

alterego writes "Digital Photography Review is reporting that SimpleTech has announced 2, 4, 5 and 8GB Type II Compact Flash Cards utilizing its patented IC Tower stacking technology. This comes just a month after Hitachi announced its 4GB HD in under an inch, and less than one year after Lexar announced the first 4 GB CF card, marking a huge leap in drive density. And at only $5,999 it is sure "to meet budget and performance requirements.""

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  1. reliability? by plinius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They're rushing these products to market so fast with new semiconductor technologies, I'm beginning to wonder about reliability. This is storage after all, not a processor: if these data is lost you can't just reboot and start over.

    1. Re:reliability? by peter_gzowski · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm always concerned with the reliability of these cards. I think their ability to keep their state wanes over time, although I don't know what that time period is. With the Type II cards, battery life is also an issue, as they suck much more juice than the Type I. The article says that they have a 5 GB Type I card, which would bring my Nex IIe up to the storage capacity of a Mini iPod, if I could afford either :). I'll just have to wait a year or two for these cards to be in the hundreds instead of thousands.

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  2. can I replace my laptop hard drive now? by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Interesting
    seriously.. what does it take to yank my hard drive, insert one of these, and drop that weight/power consumption/fragility of my drive?
    (yes, I know it takes six grand)

    what would the access times be like? comparable to a 42000 rpm drive? 5400? 10,000 sata?

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    1. Re:can I replace my laptop hard drive now? by RainbowSix · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Using a flash card would be worse than a disk. Sure it has access times an order of magnitude faster than a hard disk (200ns according to the first google hit for "compact flash access time") but bandwidth sucks at less than 20MB/s while cheap desktop drives are getting between 30-60 sustained (tom's hardware review of Seagate Baracudda 7200.7)

      Furthermore since flash has limited flash cycles that is much less than that of a hard drive, your /tmp directory will have you buying a new card in no time.

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    2. Re:can I replace my laptop hard drive now? by myc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      given the smaller form factor of flash cards, why not just RAID a bunch of smaller cards together? According to pricewatch. a 1GB flashcard is about $160.00 US. 160*8 = 1280, which is a little below 5 times the cost of the 8 gb card, and also gives you increased bandwidth. For a portable device that doesn't need oodles of space for multimedia files, you wouldn't even need this much disk space. the only thing that is worrisome is the limited flash cycles.

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    3. Re:can I replace my laptop hard drive now? by AlecC · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Using a flash card would be worse than a disk. Sure it has access times an order of magnitude faster than a hard disk (200ns according to the first google hit for "compact flash access time") but bandwidth sucks at less than 20MB/s while cheap desktop drives are getting between 30-60 sustained (tom's hardware review of Seagate Baracudda 7200.7)

      But for most operations on a normal desktop system, access time is 99% of total transfer time. Most disk transfers are of the order 4-16kb - less than 1 millisec while transferring. Whereas disk average access time struggles to reach 4 millisec. Excluding, of course, things like streaming video.

      Furthermore since flash has limited flash cycles that is much less than that of a hard drive, your /tmp directory will have you buying a new card in no time.

      Much more relevant. You would have to do without a swap partition (buy morE dram). I think some flas drives are clever wnough to map out bad blocks invisibly, so /tmp shouldn't kill you too soon.

      But for $6k, how many complete disk based system can you drop/lose?

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  3. WHAT??!?! by uprightcitizen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sweet Jesus, almost $6K for a memory card?

    Honestly, who the hell needs this?

    Even professional photographers couldn't possibly have a use for this instead of two 4GB disks.

    But hey, I guess this means that mass solid state storage for hard drives really isn't far off, at least for PDAs.

  4. Replace Hard drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They're still a "little" expensive, but when you least expect they're be affordable. And 8GB is a lot of space. My root partition is 4 GB and my home partition is a lot bigger :-D but lot's of stuff could be saved on DVDs...
    Main point is, quiet computers are the new trend, and quiter than this is impossible. So, when do you think this will replace hard drives?

  5. embedded / military systems by Samuel+Nitzberg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It could be a good item in high-cost systems with stringent weight / space / heat dissipation requirements, where there may not be many good solutions, regardless of cost.

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  6. Can I replace my Bootable CD by Bishop923 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Better question would be if this could be adapted to work like a bootable CD. Imagine having a Knoppix-like distro on one of these things, You could upgrade packages piecemeal without having to burn a new CD, you could store data back to the card and it would fit in your wallet. It has 12x the storage of a CD, 3-4x the transfer rate, and faster access times by several orders of magnitude.

    What are we waiting for again?

  7. Boot from USB/Flashcard by MtlDty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How feasible is it to make a 'boot from USB' option to a PC BIOS?

    I know its not an option currently, but with all the advances in personal storage recently it would make sense for motherboard manufacturers to consider adding some kind of ASIC that allows the USB to be used as a boot device.

    The next step is to move all device driver software from the operating system to a dedicated flash ROM embeded on the motherboard.

    These two advancements would then enable people to carry around an entire OS on a flashcard/portable USB disk. You could simply slot in your flashcard and boot up your own OS (be it windows or linux) on any PC, at home/work/hotel. You dont need to carry a bulky laptop, all your data (and applications) can be on portable storage.

    I imagine making the device driver software update a motherboard embeded flash chip is the most awkward part, but it makes much more sense to me to have the hardware drivers linked firmly to the hardware they drive (and not part of the OS as they are currently)

    Just something I've been thinking about for years, but with all the recent advances recently I think its slowly becoming more possible?

  8. Re:Digital Camera/Camcorder dilemna by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Err... rather, cameras and camcorders are going to be on-in-the-same very soon...

    At the consumer level, that may well be true. Most people with point and shoot consumer digital cameras never print their photos, and those that do don't often print anything much bigger than a 4x6 or a 5x7. So, having the extra resolution of a still camera doesn't really do much good for them anyway. The resolution of a video camera would handle their still images just fine.

    However, an 8GB $6,000 CF card is not a product for somebody buying a $299 consumer camera :) Honestly, I can't figure out who it's aimed at. I'm a professional photographer, and I'm a pretty heavy shooter, and I'll generally only fill up about 2.5 1GB cards at a wedding. I'm not worried about having to change cards, as with a 6MP camera I'll get about 400 shots to a card, and there's plenty of dead time there to swap. Portrait and magazine photographers certainly don't need this. Actually, most serious magazine/fashion photographers shoot tethered, anyway. Sports photographers need speed (which this card has, but so do the SanDisk Ultra/Extreme II cards), and there's plenty of time at football game to swap out cards every 600 shots (assuming you're using a 4MP 1D or D2H. That might change when the 8MP Canon 1D mark II comes out this April...). Really, I would specifically NOT buy a card this big, simply because I'd be afraid of putting all my eggs in one basket. If I had somebody's wedding spread across three cards, and one of them was damaged/destroyed/lost/whatever, that would be horrible, but at least I'd still have the other two (yes, I backup with a portable harddrive at every opportunity). But if I had it all on one 8GB card and it died...ouch.

    Maybe an 8GB card will be practical when DSLRs all have 20MP (which probably never will happen...) but in the meantime, it's expensive overkill.

    * My shots/card figures assumed JPEG capture, not RAW. For RAW, cut my numbers in half.

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  9. Sports photographers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sports photographers are the only people really for whom this is remotely useful. Toting an 8 megapixel camera which takes 8.5 frames per second they may just need the space, and they may be willing to pay not to have the card space run out at an inopportune moment. "Hey guys, could you do that touchdown again? My CF card ran out of space, I've got a new one in, now though and my magazine really wants this shot!" What I can't understand, though, is why it wouldn't be far more cost effective for the photographer to have a WiFi card in his camera and a WiFi enabled laptop or large storage device in his bag. Battery life? Is it really worth $6000 ?

  10. Re:reliability? - an after thought by cloudturtle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    just becuase they disclaim the implied warranties does not mean that the disclaimers are effective. Software is different than hardware on how it is treated. This is evidenced by the existance of UCITA, which originally started out to be UUC Article 2b but was to contraversial for the ALI and so it got the boot.

    The point here is that hardware is still regulated under UCC Article 2 -- sale of goods -- which pretty much prevents effective denial of implied warranties.

    For an implied warranty of fitness of a particular purpose the person selling the goods is supposed to have a reason to know of the need. Here there is no actual conveyance of that need so most likely there is no implied warranty.

    It is somewhat debatable whether the creation of a good for a particular market [the extreem market] would not actually make this a violation of express warrant of merchantability.

    Under the merchantibility argument if these cards could not be used in "extreme" environments then they would not be merchantable as goods in their class should be. Problem is that express warranties can be disclaimed.

    So really what we probably have is a case where the memory providers are in line with the law but it looks pretty slimey.