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VPN For Kazaa Users Launched

prostoalex writes "AnonX allows Kazaa users to connect to its own VPN, effectively obfuscating their original IP address that certain association has been using to subpoena the file-sharers. The company is created by a Texas ISP employee, but is registered in Vanuatu, and already has 7,000 users paying $6 a month."

57 comments

  1. Which is wonderful.... by Your_Mom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...until the RIAA somehow finds a way to get access to their user records...

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    1. Re:Which is wonderful.... by pilot1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they're smart, they'll check for any attempts at cracking, and then send their logs straight to /dev/null.
      Or is that illegal?

    2. Re:Which is wonderful.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Only if you do it after the police ask you for the logs. If not keeping logs is standard procedure, you're free and clear.

    3. Re:Which is wonderful.... by red+floyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that there's those inconvienent billing records. Of course, getting the FBI out to Vanuatu is another matter.

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    4. Re:Which is wonderful.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzzt. wrong. If a "resonable person" (damn, the courts seem to love that guy) would belive the records would be needed for legal procedings, then it's a crime to destroy them, even before the cops actually ask for them.

  2. Speed problems? by pilot1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just skimmed through their website, but it looks to me like their user's speeds would be limited by their bandwidth, just like any other proxy.
    So what happens when 20% of those thousands of users get on Kazaa at once?

    1. Re:Speed problems? by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      I just skimmed through their website, but it looks to me like their user's speeds would be limited by their bandwidth, just like any other proxy. So what happens when 20% of those thousands of users get on Kazaa at once?

      Maybe faster downloads, more sharing, and vanuatu buys lots of high speed bandwidth from ISPs. :)

  3. Disclaimers? by CelticWhisper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's still nice to see that something's being done to help. Even if it is just another proxy service, that still makes it another proxy service that the RIAA has to expend time and effort to "manage."

    I wonder, though, if they can implement some kind of disclaimer or warning (like those you see when logging into some FTP servers) that state that personnel from the RIAA or from record companies are not permitted to use the service. I may be mistaken, but that should provide some legal clout in the event they get h4xx0r3d (so to speak) and their users sued like so many others.

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    1. Re:Disclaimers? by DAldredge · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Do you have ANY proof that those BS disclaimers are legally binding?

    2. Re:Disclaimers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sharmann is already suing the RIAA for violating the terms of use.

    3. Re:Disclaimers? by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I may be mistaken, but that should provide some legal clout in the event they get h4xx0r3d (so to speak) and their users sued like so many others.

      I love those legal disclaimers that sites put such as "law enforcement people and RIAA members or affiliates are not permitted to enter this site." this attempt to hide from copyright infringement culpability is as laughable as it is juvenile.

      for the record, they carry absolute zero clout, and doubly so in this era of DMCA. however, they probably make for good search terms.

    4. Re:Disclaimers? by andyt · · Score: 0

      I may be mistaken, but that should provide some legal clout in the event they get h4xx0r3d (so to speak) and their users sued like so many others.

      I love those legal disclaimers that sites put such as "law enforcement people and RIAA members or affiliates are not permitted to enter this site." this attempt to hide from copyright infringement culpability is as laughable as it is juvenile.

      for the record, they carry absolute zero clout, and doubly so in this era of DMCA. however, they probably make for good search terms.


      Heh. Of course you could argue that a member of the RIAA entering the site despite you telling them not to consitutes overcoming a security measure and hence contravenes the DMCA...

      ok, perhaps not. although it'd be funny to see someone try that argument in court!

    5. Re:Disclaimers? by bersl2 · · Score: 1
      It depends. Using those entry pages to protect blatent copyright violations does not work.

      However, this is not to say that they have no weight at all for everything.

      The following entry page has been standard issue in its community for four or five years, and has been verified as probibly defendable over this time period by multiple lawyers. (Note: all material identifying the site or the companies has been removed.)

      By proceeding any further into this site, you agree to the following
      terms and statements:

      The images contained herein are mainly ADULT MATERIAL, and therefore
      any applicable laws relating to access of this site, including
      accordance with community standards and age qualifications apply. The
      aforementioned images are NOT supported or endorsed by the represented
      characters' respective companies. You WILL NOT enter the site if you
      are acting, either in actual employment or otherwise, as an agent,
      lawyer, or representative of
      SOME COMPANIES
      that produces SOME STUFF.
      Persons presently affiliated with said companies may
      enter the site provided that they will do so on their private time,
      for their private use, and will without exception keep the knowledge
      of this site strictly to their private and personal dealings, separate
      and unrelated to any dealings they might have with the respective
      company or persons acting as representatives thereof.

      You are not entering this site seeking material to fuel, begin, or
      support a lawsuit or legal action against the artist, website, or
      hosting company on any grounds, and furthermore you or any company
      affiliated with you will not seek legal action against
      THIS SITE, its hosts, or the artist/s whose work is collected on
      this site as a result of your viewing this material, in the present or
      at any time in the future. Your viewing and/or downloading of this
      material is for private use only, and will not be distributed to
      individuals for whom viewing such material is illegal nor to
      representatives of the aforementioned companies for the purpose or
      possible consequence of legal action against the artist,
      THIS SITE or its hosts, nor shall you yourself derive any
      monetary gain from downloading or possessing the files you may obtain
      from this site.

      The pictures on this site are purely fan appreciation and erotic
      expression, and are not now, nor ever meant to infringe upon the
      respective company's copyrights to those characters. The artwork
      within may not represent the characters in the way that their
      respective owning companies wish to have them represented; therefore
      said art is not necessarily an accurate representation of said
      character's personalities or physical traits. No artwork within the
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      If you do not agree, you may not enter the site.

  4. Confusion by mhesseltine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, let me get this straight; these users can't or won't pay to purchase music/videos/software/etc., but they will pay some company a monthly fee to protect them as they illegally download said music/videos/software/etc.

    I actually hope that this company is a front for the RIAA, nailing those who are too stupid/greedy to figure it out.

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    1. Re:Confusion by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure. It's a lot cheaper. If the music has equivalent value to you as a CD, downloading a single album has just paid for at least two months of service.

      Remember that anyone downloading music/movies is investing time, hard drive space/bandwidth, and potentially CDRs anyway.

      I actually hope that this company is a front for the RIAA, nailing those who are too stupid/greedy to figure it out.

      [shrug] I kind of wish that all speeders would get nailed for breaking the law, potentially with speed-detection devices hidden in all cars. With speeding, people's lives are actually at risk (as opposed to folks just infringing copyrights). However, most people don't like the idea, because they like breaking the law to some degree. I suspect that the same applies to your "I hope the company is an RIAA front" idea -- probably most other people, like me, find the idea of going after users in such a manner distasteful.

    2. Re:Confusion by PylonHead · · Score: 1

      [shrug] I kind of wish that all speeders would get nailed for breaking the law, potentially with speed-detection devices hidden in all cars. With speeding, people's lives are actually at risk (as opposed to folks just infringing copyrights). However, most people don't like the idea, because they like breaking the law to some degree. I suspect that the same applies to your "I hope the company is an RIAA front" idea -- probably most other people, like me, find the idea of going after users in such a manner distasteful.

      Speeding is prosecuted. I should know, I just got back from traffic school. Why should this be any different? Sure, nobody is going to get killed pirating MP3s, but if that's your justification then do we get rid of all non-violent crime?

      As for your "speed-detection devices", we're not talking about installing key loggers on your box. How many thousands of people illegally trade files compared to the tiny tiny few who are prosecuted? The ratio of speeders to speeding tickets is probably not that far off.

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    3. Re:Confusion by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Speeding is prosecuted. I should know, I just got back from traffic school. Why should this be any different? Sure, nobody is going to get killed pirating MP3s, but if that's your justification then do we get rid of all non-violent crime?

      I'm not advocating eliminating either speeding or copyright infringement enforcement. What I would find disturbing is this particular approach to enforcement -- setting up shell companies that simply log all data and potential copyright infringement users engage in. This *would* be nearly equivalent (from an infringement enforcement standpoint) to installing a keylogger/screen dumper. It would be much like hiding (without telling the consumer) speed-tracking devices in cars. The reason I drew the parallel to speeding is that most people speed at times and don't want to get caught for it, and would find such an enforcement tactic undesireable -- even though speeding can cause far nastier problems (and kills many people each year). I was guessing that the original poster probably occasionally speeds, and wanted him to consider the position of the person who might get caught by this.

    4. Re:Confusion by dethlejd · · Score: 2, Funny

      The reason that this argument falls apart is as follows:

      If the "powers that be" can ticket you everytime you speed, people will stop speeding.

      If they find a way to guarantee that a file that is shared across a network violates copyright, and prosecute (read: fine) the persons involved in the transmission of the file, people will stop trading copyrighted material.

      I, for one believe, however, that a small percentage of users will always remain smarter than the folks trying to prevent promiscious copyright violations. They will create tools (like this) and will distribute/sell them to the rest of the not so smart folks.

      The way to stop illegal copying of CR material is to:

      A) Give the product worth (e.g. more than one decent track on a disc).

      B) Make the product less expensive than copying it would be. I suspect that the TOTAL cost of producing ONE CD is considerably less than $15.

      (Someone figure me this; take the cost of manufacturing, production, marketing, bribing disc jockeys, paying for hookers, beer and drugs for the band, advances and the like, take out the tour till, merchandising, and other income. Take that number and divide it by the number of CDs sold at Best Buy and Wall-Mart. Really, someone in the know, do the math... Is it really $15 dollars each for millions of copies sold?)

      C) Stop being so goddamn greedy. Both of you, the industry turds AND the cheapass tightwads.

      See, there could be levels of music; expensive music, like Britany and Eminem, that wealthy people could afford to buy, and then, like, middleclass music, that most of us could afford; beer drinking music, like Meatloaf and Lynyrd Skynard, and finally, inexpensive, generic music targeted at welfare families and the like. Creed, U2 and 4-Non Blondes. You could even hand out MusicStamps (tm, BTW) that would allow less affluent people to purchase state subsidized music, like Community College Barbershop Quartets or The Dixie Chicks. :-P

      Anyway... I tire of this conversation...

      - Jim

    5. Re:Confusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously never heard of Premium Usenet Servers before.

    6. Re:Confusion by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 1

      And I hope the RIAA falls. Why? Because they've been legally ripping people off for years now. Legal, illegal, a rip-off is a rip-off. Buy a whole cd of crap to get one decent song? The price of making cds has dropped by more than half (which was the original justification for them costing so much) but the price of the cds hasn't dropped by a penny. Not to mention the copy protection so I can't even make a back-up in case the cd is damaged.

      Music services to download a song for a $1? Not all of them are available to people using anything but Windows & IE. Fortunately, there does seem to be progress in that regard, but it's not complete yet. It'll be complete when you can go to any such service using the OS and the browser of your choice, whatever that may be, and be able to buy your downlaod and get it. Forcing the OS and/or browser of their choice down people's throats is not an excuse for how their trying to stop music piracy.

      Also these music service tend to cater to those with tastes in currently popular music. What about the rest of us? When I was filesharing months ago, the songs I downloaded were ones (mostly old blues and some classic rock) I literally couldn't find elsewhere. In other words, the music services seem to only feature music by artists who are still alive.

      And why the hell was the parent post modded "insightful"? It's deliberately insulting and hateful; that's called trolling.

      Ah, but for the old days before the RIAA, when musicians realized they couldn't actually own a song and made their money through performances - actually working for a living, and good ones made more than enough to be considered well-off. Now, they only want to record a few songs, give an occasional tour and become instant millionaires while doing nothing in particular the rest of the time.

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    7. Re:Confusion by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      If the police did this it would probably be rule entrapment. There are some pretty strict rules that must be followed durring an investigation. This would be like a cop going to a person on the street saying "Come here and buy drugs from this drug dealer while I watch the door". Since the cop brough up the drugs first, it's entrapment.....

    8. Re:Confusion by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      Also figure the 10,000 screaming fans at a concert each paying $45 - $200 a pop, buying t-shirts at $25 a pop, and poserts at $25 each and tell me how CD's which go into make those artists that popular are really wothj $15 each. If I could buy more CDs with my moeny I might actually find a few more current bands that I really like and want to go to a concert to hear live.

    9. Re:Confusion by Wiseleo · · Score: 1

      Quote: It would be much like hiding (without telling the consumer) speed-tracking devices in cars.

      This technology already exists and is currently being used to settle collision claims. You are looking at vehicle onboard logging and processing systems from the likes of GM. Oh yeah, no one tells the buyers of such vehicles that there is a speed logging device inside the mysterious vehicle computer.

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    10. Re:Confusion by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      No. Entrapment requires that someone be incited to commit a crime. Simply recording what someone does is not illegal, since the loggers are not directly encouraging someone to commit a crime.

  5. geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) why doesn't the RIAA just get an account, see who's swapping, and subpoena usernames?

    2) from the article: "Wasicek's day job is at an Internet service provider". ... I have a sneakin' suspicion that a certain internet service provider is going to be raided in the coming months...

    3) when I was in college I swapped tapes with all the people in my dorm .. I found a lot of cool music and made some friends.. and nobody could track that stuff. I'm feel kinda sorry for the music swappers today.. oh well!

    1. Re:geez by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) why doesn't the RIAA just get an account, see who's swapping, and subpoena usernames?

      The company just doesn't have to keep logs (at least of information like time-IP-username mappings). There is no requirement to log information, just to turn over any information that *has* been logged. They might want to store aggregate data usage with a username, but that should be more than sufficient.

  6. Re:"For kazaa users?" by shfted! · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    You changed your sig from a troll comment? Dude. Turn in your karma points.

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  7. Yawn.... by Neo+Matrix+Surfer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been doing this for almost a year using an offshore service called the MetroPipe Tunneler and their SOCKS Proxy.

    Just basic SSH Tunneling with an easy to use system that encrypts the traffic from your machine to MetroPipe, and from there you go out on the net via Proxies and others see MetroPipe and not your IP.

    What is good about MetroPipe is that they are NOT located in the USA. And they do not keep logs to even give to anyone that even asks.
    Let alone all the other Proxies they offer such as POP-FTP etc.

    And about speed. Give me a break. Of course there will be a speed slowdown. That is the price to pay for an additional layer of privacy.

    Boo Hoo. Additional hops mean slower download speed. Fine by me. The extra privacy and anonymity is well worth it. And with todays DSL speed I get, even with the additional HOP, I still have blazing speed especially if you try and price a raw T1.

    I am happy with My 2 Cents. Peace.

    1. Re:Yawn.... by __past__ · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      What is good about MetroPipe is that they are NOT located in the USA. And they do not keep logs to even give to anyone that even asks.
      At least that's what they tell you. But what would stop such a company from logging all the sensitive information that get (and given that you'd use it for everything you don't want to know about, they would probably collect a lot of very interesting info) and later sell it to some spammers, for example, or simply start blackmailing you?

      The problem with all these privacy-enhancing proxies is that you have to trust some fishy offshore company first.

    2. Re:Yawn.... by aliquis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      > That is the price to pay for an additional layer of privacy.

      additional level of piracy you mean? :D

    3. Re:Yawn.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. It's not wise to hope that they'll keep their word.

      Instead, layer lots of such services. There are plenty of free proxies you can chain to make it sufficiently hard to trace you without high cost.

    4. Re:Yawn.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That is the price to pay for an additional layer of privacy.

      additional level of piracy you mean? :D


      No, it is supposed to be layer of piracy over privacy.

  8. Is This Article a Kazaa Ad? by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because I don't see anything on the AnonX site that says anything specifically about Kazaa or any other file sharing system. It says it's for security for any online activity.

    I think it's a damn shame that the first thing that comes to mind is file sharing, when far worse things like human rights violations are far more worth protecting. Yes, this proxy system is for that too.

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    1. Re:Is This Article a Kazaa Ad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good god.. don't you people ever fucking get tired of whining? and yes, you clever syntax checkers, I realize the irony in whining about whining, but I still want to stomp on your fucking necks

  9. He'll be arrested real soon now.... by Danious · · Score: 1

    Let me get this right. A guy physically residing in the States is earning money from a service whose primary and almost sole intent is to facilitate the commission of a crime. How long before the feds are on his arse? Just because the company is in Vanuatu, doen't mean he can't be done for living off illegal earnings or some-such law designed to put away mobsters and drug barons.

    1. Re:He'll be arrested real soon now.... by radja · · Score: 1

      wrong. he's helping people preserve privacy, to protect them from criminal organisations looking to blackmail them.

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    2. Re:He'll be arrested real soon now.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that supposed to be a joke? Since when is preventing theft of a product blackmail, exactly?

      Some people are so far out of touch with reality it's funny.

    3. Re:He'll be arrested real soon now.... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Let me get this right. A guy physically residing in the States is earning money from a service whose primary and almost sole intent is to facilitate the commission of a crime

      No, you don't have it right. The intent of this service is to protect privacy.

      Yes, the service could be used to anonymously perform illegal activities; it could also be used to anonymously send important information to law enforcement.

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    4. Re:He'll be arrested real soon now.... by radja · · Score: 1

      copying != theft

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    5. Re:He'll be arrested real soon now.... by yourmom16 · · Score: 1

      Since when do police hang out on Kazaa?

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  10. Why don't use Freenet? by DrMorris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As it gets more and more insecure to use P2P filesharing services, the users should consider switching to a filesharing network which fully respects privacy and completely disables censorship (achieved by encryption)

    For details see the Freenet Project homepage.

    BTW there is another interesting (though by far not as widely used) filesharing network, called GNUnet.

    1. Re:Why don't use Freenet? by UrGeek · · Score: 1

      Because I can never find anything but ragged porn on Freenet. It is a chicken and egg type problem. Freenet never reached that critical mass to be as interesting as Kazaa. But Anon-X is even more than that. It is like a new version of Anonimizer.

  11. Three Words by Hell+O'World · · Score: 2, Informative

    Digital Rights Management.
    The experience of downloading music from Kazaa, even though it can't beat the old Napster, is still miles above the new legal downloading systems, because you can do whatever you want with the music when you get it, unencumbered by artifical limitations.
    I want my MP3s.

  12. anon.penet.fi redux by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He'll get shut down as soon as someone starts sharing secret Scientology documents over KaZaA through his service. After all, that's what brought down anon.penet.fi.

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  13. FYI: parent poster affiliated with Metropipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What Neo Matrix Surfer neglected to mention is that he is affiliated with MetroPipe. I believe he is one of the principals.

  14. I actually used it... by OverkillTASF · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not just for Kazaa. It's a VPN that any and all of your Internet software can use. Use it at work to get around nazis who block listening to Di.fm, use it at school to get around port blocking and throttling....

    My interest in it was actually getting unfirewalled, as that cripples Internet performance. But my school blocks the protocols necessary for outbound VPN connections, so I only had it for a month.

    It's nice because you don't need their proprietary software. You just download a VPN connection file and voila, there's your tunnel.

  15. Just Ducky - A new argument for key escrow - curse by MadHungarian1917 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now the feds will have a new argument for _requiring_ key escrow "to protect IP" just wonderful. and the broadband providers will have a new excuse for blocking VPN connections on residential circuits. Which will make it really inconvenient and _expensive_ for those of us who need these tools for productive work. Ahh the tragedy of the commons writ large

    I just wish for once people would think about the consequences for the rest of us before rolling out a commercial service.

    The place to fight the DMCA is the courts and we do have some judges on our side. Does anyone remember the Cartervision case where Hollywood wanted to ban VCR's the judge in that case found while the VCR's could be used to infringe copyright they had substantial 'non-infringing' uses which is the same tack the judge in the p2p case is taking. Let's not give _big media_ any ammo for their view of the world.

  16. Hey AC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit your f*ckin' whining and shut your damn trap.

    It's asinine that you jerks constantly take shit out of context while attempting to make it seem either sinister, weak, or both. The service has nothing to do with filesharing, was not designed for filesharing, and provides a reasonable level of privacy that should be every users right.

    The poster was simply pointing this out, and if that fact doesn't fit into your worldview, well too bad for you. Just swallow that bile and suffer with the rest of the crybaybies who can't stand that they are wrong, that the industries they toady to are not going to be profitable for much longer, that regulations that attempt to enforce the continuance of corporate control of commubnication and media are unenforcable, and that technological attempts at enforcement will always be bypassed.

    The world's achangin' and the only way you can stop it is unthinkable.

    (I posted as an AC. See I can do irony too;-)

  17. This won't last wrong, and here's why... by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1
    It's just a proxy service... look what it supports:

    Supported Software: Explorer, Netscape, Kazaa, Morpheus, Freenet, Emule, Gnutella, Imesh, Shareaza, BitTorrent, Limewire, Trillian, AIM, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, IRC, WSFTP, CuteFTP, Windows Media Player and Real Player

    Found here

    I'm sure every peidophile/childmolester/spammer/scam artist is already paying their $7 a month to get in on this.

    Just use a fake credit card, and they think they are invisable (until a warrant is issued for the access logs and PayPals records).

    Sounds like another kid playing with

    1. Re:This won't last wrong, and here's why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are people who deliberately supply proxies to criminals for things like credit card fraud. The professionals probably won`t be going to AnonX since they have to _trust_ the people who supply their anonymity.

      As for things like sex crimes I`ll think you`ll find that those are incidents that occur in the "real world" not in the gap between the human eyeball and glowing phosphor of a monitor. We make our own choices once we leave the computer - though there will always be people who would like to pretend otherwise.

      The law of averages applies to criminality - the more often you transgress the more likely you are to get caught. I don`t see this being any different.

  18. Re:Just Ducky - A new argument for key escrow - cu by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1
    broadband providers will have a new excuse for blocking VPN connections on residential circuits
    Seeing as how the majority of VPN users are using their VPNs for legitimate work, I can't see ISPs getting away with this one. I would think most of the illegal stuff goes on through SOCKS proxies.
  19. Re:Just Ducky - A new argument for key escrow - cu by MadHungarian1917 · · Score: 1

    In my neck of the woods MediaOne->ATTBI->Comcast blocks IPSec unless you purchase a _business_ account for 2-3X the cost of the basic plan.

    I have DSL and Satellite because I refuse to do business with said crew of pirates.

    When MediaOne bought our local cable provider they changed the billing so you were billed for 2 months for every month of service this was "in case you did not pay your bill" but they would refund the charges when you terminated your service yeah sure and if you belive that I have a nice tower in paris which is being sold for scrap.

    I had them physically remove the drop from the pole to our house and lived without TV until the advent of DirectTV. This was nice because it _cost_ them money! and removed any avenue for them to complain about "cable piracy"

  20. Hmm by jugger42 · · Score: 1

    You know, ISP's dont have to log any information about you. There is no law that forces them to log anything that you do. I dont know why they do it, seems to me it would be even funnier and more convenient for them, to just trash all the logs, that would end all these stupid law suits. I am sure that will happen soon however, we live in a corporate world, when the first large isp begins to do this, they will get so many customers they wont know what to do with them.