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Linux in Munich Followup

Rican writes "Wired has a story that details some of the difficulties that Project LiMux seems to be experiencing in Munich. Including financial and technical issues. On the positive side it looks like despite these setbacks they are continuing with the project and have a positive attitude about its completion. Let's keep our fingers crossed and do what we can to support this monumental effort that will benefit the whole Open Source Community."

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  1. Munich Council Press Statement by TasosF · · Score: 5, Informative

    Munich Council Press Statement (translated)

    Stefan Hauf
    Presseamt Muenchen
    http://www.muenchen.de

    Munich goes with Open Source Software
    The city of Munich will use Linux as the operating system for their 14,000 PC clients as well as open source software for their office applications.
    With the votes of SPD, Alliance 90/Die Gruenen/Pink list, FDP, OEDP, REP and Party of Democratic Socialism, the town assembly followed Mayor Christian Ude's proposal.

    An appraisal given by the city in order to evaluate the pro and cons of a conversion of the present urban standard "Windows NT/Microsoft Office" alternatively on "Windows XP/Microsoft Office" or "Linux/Open Office" comes to the conclusion that there is a clear strategic-qualitative projection/lead for the open source solution.

    Mayor Ude: "With this trend-setting decision Munich secures itself as the first major city to have a major portion of its IT infrastructure be supplier-independent and sets also a clear indication of more competition in the software market. The prehistory of this decision already showed that a competitive situation helps the formation of prices pretty well. "

    Regarding the decision, mayor Ude pointed out that this is not a decision for a specific IT partner, but a strategic positioning based on a noncommittal market evaluation.

    Until spring 2004, a detailed concept of implementation and migration will be developed. Based on the results of this evaluation, the city council will decide how the migration to Linux will take place.

    IBM Germany Statement

    May 28th 2003

    The city council of Munich today made a key decision to deploy the open source operating system Linux instead of alternative operating systems. This initiative will see Germany's third largest city migrate 14,000 desktop and notebook computers to Linux. Their objective is to deploy information technology that stimulates more commercial and technological flexibility at a lower cost to the public sector. Although the council has not made a decision on its choice of vendor, Linux distributor SuSE AG and IBM Germany will be participating in the resulting contract bid.

    Walter Raizner, Country General Manager IBM Germany: "In the public sector in Germany we have seen a variety of new implementations of open standards-based software such as Linux. And worldwide, more than 75 IBM government customers - including agencies in France, Spain, UK, Australia, Mexico, the United States and Japan - have now embraced open computing and Linux to save costs, consolidate workloads, increase efficiency and enact e-government transformation. With Munich's decision, one thing is clear - it's open season for open computing. Linux represents freedom and flexibility. This is essential in e-government - they need more flexibility to serve their constituencies better and faster, and freedom of choice to do it at less cost to the public. Munich is leading the way."

    1. Re:Munich Council Press Statement by JoScherl · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is the summary of the official "client study" available as PDF file. Since Munich relaunched its homepage I can't find it on their servers anymore, but it's here mirrored here (German). According to this mailing list posting there's also an Englisch and French translation available.

  2. TCO / strategy by maharg · · Score: 4, Informative

    they went for lower total cost of ownership, and superior strategic position, not lower initial cost.

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  3. Re:The problems by NumbThumb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe that's because non of the city staff is using it yet? Remember, thei're still in the process of porting the applications that they need. Moving the users to a linux desktop will only be the last step.

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  4. Re:If there is one placeq by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the BBC "Brazil falls in love with Linux"

    Free software is popular in China, India, even parts of Africa.

    Nobody can say for sure, but in Latin America, some estimates suggest open source systems will soon be installed on up to a third of all computers.

    [...]

    Whatever the underlying reason, Linux is spreading fast in Brazil, although it is impossible to estimate how many organisations have adopted it so far.

    "This is happening from the bottom up, and not from the top down, as you might find in big companies," says Mr Zappi.

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  5. Re:This is n't bad news by CliffH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow, deja vu. Just as good as the last time this response was used. If you're going to copy something, at least make sure you change it around just a little bit. Outright copying of comments is just lame at best.

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  6. Re:I find it worrying that... by T-Ranger · · Score: 3, Informative
    First, this wasen't a negotiation. Munich did not say "Hey, whats you best price.. Thats too high.." They were quoted a price from MS, and one from IBM/SuSE. They made a public anouncement and then MS offered a lower price.

    This is how tenders happen. Bidders get one chance at offering a price. That MS lowered their price after they heard someone elses means that a) they have insane amounts of profit and/or b) their new price will cut lots of corners. Now, software isn't something like construction where a shaved down bit might produce a building that falls down... The incremental cost to MS is zero, once the R&D is done. But the same general logic applies. That MS came back with a lower price, Im sure, solidified the plan to go with Linux. They were clearly trying to screw Munich with their first price.

    Ignoring that the loosing bidder was MS for a second, they deserved to loose, their second bid not withstanding.

    But, the bidder was not just a random company trying to screw Munich, it was Microsoft. Microsoft is a monopoly. Being a monopoly isnt illegal. Some specific acts arnt illegal in general. However, a monopoly that performs those specific acts is breaking the law. One of those is dumping. While we dont know MS's cost for this project (and that is largely meaningless in this zero-incremental cost industry), we do know that their second try was lower then the competition. Additionaly, the (winning) linux bid had some non-zero cost items. Retraning. Redevelopement of custom software, amongst others Im sure.

    Monopolies are not allowed to set prices intentional lower then is possible for the competition.

  7. Re:The problems by mabhatter654 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ahh the joys of newbies! Windows to Windows is just as bad...often worse! Like when I bought a new shiny dell with new shiny office...and had to replace the whole email system because Outlook XP dropped an older mailbox format!! or when the boss buys himself a new shiny dell...and the critical Win95 drivers have no equivelant! Or when very basic Office XP files don't share properly with Office 97 when you change a single character meaning 8 other people have to upgrade too!

    Linux on the desktop is ready...the only thing holding it back is the inertia of windows users. Linux is at least as good technically on the desktop as Win 98/2000 in many areas much better [just the OS/DE mind you] Sure apps are missing, but they will come. The biggest problem are those pesky "must have" windows drivers or software. If you can convert an office to 100% OO.org [or another] you'd be just fine! My biggest problem getting a tryout of OO.org [in prep for Linux!] was those pesky USERS who simply refused to learn something new...and refused to try! I wouldn't deny growing pains...but if office workers were factory workers they'd all be out of work...for holding up progress!!!