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NTT Develops Stamp-Size 1GB Hologram Memory

sandalwood writes "NTT has developed a new high-capacity memory storage device based on thin-film holography called Info-MICA. The official site is here but it's only in Japanese for now. According to the article, 'NTT is planning to bring the first commercial Info-MICA products to market in 2005 with a postage stamp-size ROM and a memory capacity of 1GB.' My first thought was that it would be perfect for a future handheld game device!"

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  1. Uh oh. by bad+enema · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "My first thought was that it would be perfect for a future handheld game device!"

    Yeah, soon we'll have GTA available on our cell phones, pagers and the like.

  2. Re:Uncopyable by Gherald · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This I don't understand. How can it be readable if it is uncopyable?

  3. It's Read-Only. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is good news for people in the arcade game industry. An array of these will be likely cheaper and more reliable than a hard drive, and will probably be more expensive than but will be dramatically more reliable than a CD or DVD-ROM drive. In fact they mention pachinko, and they also bring up in-car navigation. That is certainly also an excellent opportunity.

    Depending on the durability of this stuff under the influence of abrasion and direct impact (they do suggest that it be bound to the outside of packaging) it would make a nice way to store information on ID cards, requiring no electrical contacts.

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  4. First uses by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See, my first thought is that it'd be perfect for portable music devices, as opposed to gaming. This would better enable innocuous music devices (i.e. that which could be hidden in the lining of a jacket/glove/etc.) whereas gaming devices are going to be held in your hands no matter what (until we shift to full-on wearable computers, i.e. xybernaut).

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  5. Re:Uncopyable by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmmm... I'm guessing that's only true if the company manages to become the sole producers of the readers or has tight control over the spec (see previous /. article on the power of security through obscurity). If it becomes an open standard then all one would have to do is build a bit-by-bit reader and it should be easily copied to another format (at 1GB, DVD for instance).

  6. Future video medium? by adrianbaugh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their proposed uses are all very well, but I think this could be even more significant for video. Even with their current versions you'd need 8 chips to hold the same amount as a DVD: it's likely that the capacity will increase pretty quickly once the technology settles down so there's no reason they shouldn't replace HD-DVDs even before the format gets established. The big advantage is that a video based around these could be built into a cartridge a bit like the old games console cartridges. With no exposed optical surface to get scratched, durability could be a lot better than optical discs. Also the readers would be far simpler electromechanically, leading to cheaper, more durable players.

    Of course, whether the content-provision industries consider cheap, durable media and players a good thing is open to question...

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  7. Since their English site is under construction ... by BaronAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any idea on the data read rate of these things?

    Also, I doubt this is the DRM answer to everything. As soon as their is a PC reader you can copy the contents of one of these things to any format you want. Digital is digital doesn't matter the format.

  8. Re:ROM only and not copy able by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    remember when the first CDs were impossible for the end-user to copy?

    yes?

    good.

  9. It seems that... by rasafras · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...this is certainly the future of portable storage. It has the size of flash memory, but it also has the low-cost ability for mass production as CD-ROMs. I'm sure that in due time, as with CDs, they will become re-writeable as well. But for now, I'd be more than happy to use these.
    My only question would be how easily the drive can be written to - is the writing apparatus at the moment too large to fit into portable devices, is the energy drain too large, etc. It has some uses at the moment, and I can see it improving in the future. But I couldn't say how near.

  10. What are the longevity and durability like? by StandardCell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of my primary concerns regarding media and my clients is the longevity of the media. Particularly with writable media, exposure to excessive heat, light, humidity, mechanical stress and other environmental factors can significantly impair the life of this media. The article makes no effort to address this issue, yet it is an issue of critical importance to users of all media.

    I'm not trying to be cynical and cast undue doubt, but we need to have some type of affirmative response regarding this issue from the developers of what could be a very important technology in the future.

  11. Relative Size? by gregarican · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I know that SmartMedia cards are now up to 512MB in size (perhaps even larger from the last time I checked). And they are about the size of a postage stamp. Not 1 GB in size, but probably will be there soon, if not already.

    Is this a really earth shattering advance? Perhaps the media composition and the fact that's it's transparent adds to the coolness factor.

  12. Still works for Gaming by hellfire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Making a gaming device thinner and lighter with this technology is still highly useful, as it will be easier to store in a pocket and carry around, and 1 GB should be far more than most Game boy cartridges hold these days.

    The screen still has to be viewable so there are limits to how small you can make such a device, but PDAs have been getting thinner and lighter and its because of improvements in miniaturization of components.

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  13. Re:my first thought by d'fim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a first-generation application of the technology; just like you couldn't burn CDs or DVDs when they were brand new either. Buy your data pre-recorded for the first year, then drool over the new holo-burners when they come out.....

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  14. Re:Uncopyable by theguywhosaid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for things like game consoles, the real important part is that its very inconvenient to make a copy that is still on the same media. gamecube sort of did this with their mini-dvd format i believe.

  15. -1 Uninsightfull by swagr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My first thought was that it would be perfect for a future handheld game device!

    Umm... For those of us who don't read Japanese and aren't psychic, we have no details.
    We don't know things like cost, power requirements, transfer speed, seek time, data integrity, etc.

    So it's not really clear at all that this would be "perfect" for anything.

    Can anyone enlighten us?

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  16. Agreed. Holographic media has potential by StewedSquirrel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Holographic media has great potential in this area because the holographic film can potentially store a large amount of data in a redundant fashion.

    In a "typical" holographic image, one tiny cross section of the film stores the entire set of data as visible from that point, which constitutes greater than 50% and potentially up to 100% of the entire image.

    I have never been convinced this type of redundancy could move into data storage, but I would be interested to hear.

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  17. But... by Neko-kun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if the storage for games increase, that means we're gonna have to deal with crappier games that only focus on the aesthetics instead of whats important!
    I don't want another "Barbie's Day Off" going rampant through the streets and getting five stars just because Barbie is more life-like.

    Then again...

  18. Re:Hard Drives going the way of the tape drive? by HeghmoH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is that as solid-state storage becomes smaller and cheaper, hard drives do the same. You can get 1GB of flash for not too much money these days, and you could easily use it to replace your hard drive, but nobody does it. One reason is that flash doesn't have an infinite lifespan, and it doesn't like tons of writes, of course. But the main reason is that for the same amount of money, you can get a moving-parts failure-prone hard drive that's eighty times bigger. I'm not sure which technology is growing faster, but even if flash is catching up, it's going to be quite a long time before it's competitive with hard drives.

    Oh, and I already have a 1" thick laptop with low power consumption that is both durable and powerful. :-) (Although the intermittent failures it's been having lately have made me wonder just how well it actually survived the drop it had two summers ago.)

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  19. What? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My first thought was that it would be perfect for a future handheld game device!

    Dumbest thing I've ever read.
    Cellphones? No. Digital Cameras? No. Portable high-quality solid state audio recorders? No. Long-term heart monitors? No.

    This one thinks of some clumsy gameboy.

    *sigh*

    1. Re:What? by Garridan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the record, I've never owned a portable game system. In fact, the last (and only) game system I ever owned was a Nintendo. But that doesn't mean I can't see them as a valid application. Personally, I'd like to see desktop-sized writers -- but from the sound of the article, writing to these things is far less than trivial. They say that it's a potential method to hamper piracy -- a foolish concept for audio and video, but until writers are small and cheap enough for home use, it could be an extremely secure software media. Not that I've bought software since win98. Consider how long it took for CD writers to become inexpensive.

      I guess the applications all depend on how much they cost. A gig on a stamp is great, but what if that stamp costs $50 or more? Is a write-once media worth that to you? Bootlegs and interviews, absolutely. But for most other applications, people are going to want a re-writable media -- unless that stamp is $5 or less, that is.

  20. I'm talking about the media itself, not redundancy by StandardCell · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone can build inherent redundancy into data. In fact, CDs have inline Reed-Solomon encoding so that they can resist scratches as large as 4000 consecutive bits. The real question is how long the physical media itself will last. Given that CDs can degrade in as little as two years, how long will this last?

    Again, you gave some very useful related information, but you're not really answering my question. These questions need to be answered by those developing the technology.

  21. Re:ROM Media by cavac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It also says:
    3) The media can be mass produced at low cost

    So, instead of copying itself, you'll have to ask a friend who illegaly owns this nice commercial auto-writer and he'll give you 29 copies because he "couldn't stop the machine fast enough" or what? And all that, while the former producers of CD-Writers just shrug and go out of business? I doubt it, i really do...

    Anyway, DVD sales only started really to boost when people where able to copy them. Same with CD's.

    Same was with 5 1/4 floppies. You know, the blank "single sided" ones for the C64; the ones you got a free puncher to make them double-sided if you bought a 100 pieces box... Come to think of it, the last puncher i got was the same brand as the "single sided only" floppies it came with.

    Doesn't look like producers of blank media are going away soon (as already promised for the producers of blank audio tapes when the CD introduced - they just gave Sony enough money to get back into the business).

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  22. Sad by Bugmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you noticed how the main point this press release tries to push is "this memory is very hard to copy" ? It's kind of sad when our technology is specifically designed to be useless, just to appease the RIAA.

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