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Space Station Slowly Falling Apart?

Yoda2 writes "MSNBC discusses debris apparently seen by the crew floating away from the International Space Station. From the article, 'Such debris may include fragments of insulation, labels and possibly important components.' Yikes! Many of these quotes seem appropriate."

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  1. Scotty quotes? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Informative
    For the life of me, I can't comprehend why the editors front-paged a Geocities link. Special treat to subscribers, perhaps?

    For those of you who can't get to it, don't worry--you didn't miss much. It's just a compilation of Scotty quotes, and contrary to the submitter's assertion, hardly any of them apply to the current situation.

    Unless, of course, the ISS has warp drives.

    Or is in the midst of battle with Klingons.

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    1. Re:Scotty quotes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Here's the geocities list before it exceeds its bandwidth:

      "It fits like a glove, Captain." -- Scotty, Where No Man Has Gone Before, stardate 1312.4, Episode 2
      "Even if we were under full scale attack I couldn't move any faster, not and maintain a safety factor." -- Scotty, The Naked Time, stardate 1704.2, Episode 7
      "That was a pretty good gamble." -- Scotty, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2821.5, Episode 14
      "I'd love to tear this baby apart." -- Scotty, Space Seed, stardate 3141.9, Episode 24
      "The warp drive is a hopeless pile of junk." -- Scotty, The Doomsday Machine, stardate 4202.9, Episode 35
      "The shape the thing's in it's hard to keep it from blowin'." -- Scotty, The Doomsday Machine, stardate 4202.9, Episode 35
      "Laddie...don't you think you should...rephrase that?" -- Scotty, The Trouble With Tribbles, stardate 4523.3, Episode 42
      "It's, uh, it's green!" -- Scotty, By Any Other Name, stardate 4657.5, Episode 50
      "Any man who could perform such a feat, I wo'd na dare disappoint. She'll launch on time. And she'll be ready." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "It's borderline on the simulator, we need to do more tests." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "Just a minute, Exec, we're picking up the pieces down here." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "The engine imbalance is what caused the worm-hole in the first place. It'll happen again if we don't fix it." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "We can't take another attack." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "Just the batteries. I can give you inpulse power in a couple minutes." -- Scotty, Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
      "Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon." -- Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
      "A chimpazee and two trainees could run her." -- Scotty, "Thank you. I'll try not to take that personally." -- Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
      "Scotty, you're as good as your word." -- kirk, "Aye sir, the more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." -- Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
      "Aye. Warp drive standing by." -- Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock "I find it hard to believe I've traveled millions of miles..." -- Scotty, "...thousands..." -- McCoy, "...thousands of miles for an invited tour..." -- Scotty, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
      "A ship is a ship." -- Kirk, "Whatever you say...thy will be done." -- Scotty, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
      "I know this ship like the back of my hand (bonk)." -- Scotty, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
      "All I can say is...they don't make them like they used ta." -- Scotty, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
      "How many times da I have to tell ya...the right tool for the right job!" -- Scotty, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
      "Finding retirement a wee bit lonely, aren't we?" -- Scotty to Kirk, Star Trek VII: Generations
      "I've given her all she's got captain, and I can't give her no more." -- Scotty, (Several Times)
      "She won't take much more of this." -- Scotty, (Several Times)
      "This jurry-rigging won't last for long..." -- Scotty, (Several Times)
      "Are ya daft lad!!!" -- Scotty to Geordi LaForge, Relics
      "NCC 1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D." -- Scotty yelling at the Enterprise-D's holodeck computer, Relics
      "It's...it's... ... ...um, it's green." -- Data to Scotty, refering to an unmarked bottle of alcoholic content while with him in Ten Forward, Relics

    2. Re:Scotty quotes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quote #8.. did Scotty say that or did Data say that, about the green drink?

    3. Re:Scotty quotes? by naarok · · Score: 2, Informative

      Scotty said it first as attributed. Data also said it in TNG (as a nod to the original I'd guess).

  2. It's not from the Space Station by hcg50a · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article clearly states the piece was from the Progress or Soyuz spacecraft docked to the Space Station. It is a part that locks down the solar panels on these craft.

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    1. Re:It's not from the Space Station by Bendebecker · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The article clearly states the piece was from the Progress or Soyuz spacecraft docked to the Space Station. It is a part that locks down the solar panels on these craft."

      In other words the next part we shoudl expect to hear floating off the station is the solar panels. Uhhh, if the solar panels go, what will keep the capsule powered (I assume it has something running that the solar panels power)???

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  3. Yeah, well, the article says it's a russian piece. by AzrealAO · · Score: 4, Informative

    the article says the piece was Russian, and is most likely part of one of the explosive bolt assemblies that holds the solar panels in the stowed position during launch.

    They're going to move the Canadarm into position to take a look at the solar panels on the Progress that recently docked, to see if the part is missing.

  4. Definitely ISS debris by Buran · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it is station debris. The odds of anything passing within view of the crew is very, very small unless it came from the vehicle they are in. The kind of debris that is being talked about here (possibly launch stow clamps for Progress/Soyuz solar panels) is quite small and would be extremely difficult to see from greater distances. These parts are used to hold the solar panels in the folded position during ascent and are no longer needed once the spacecraft is in orbit and the panels unfold.

    The station normally has a Soyuz docked (for crew escape) and a Progress docked (for resupply and refuelling and trash stowage.) That's four solar panels right there. In addition, the Russian station modules (except for the Pirs airlock) have their own solar panels, as they operated autonomously at first, and provided power to the US modules earlier in the assembly sequence before the larger US array was added.

    The biggest worry is that one of these pieces could impact the station and damage it.

    1. Re:Definitely ISS debris by M1FCJ · · Score: 4, Informative
      There are many aspects. Earth is not a perfect sphere. This means there are many gravitational variations. This means along the path any piece of debris will be pulled towards earth with a different acceleration. This means the orbit will not be a perfect mathematical equation. This means a piece may move wrt the original location.

      The second is air resistance in that height. As anyone knows, air resistance depends on the surface area. The drag will depend on the total mass of the debris. This means relatively space station and the debris eventually will have relative speed difference and a piece of debris with enough m/s can have enough energy to pierce the hull, which is a simple aluminum tin, not a 10 cm solid sheet of steel. On the other hand the ISS hull is not a tin can, it is layered with lots of equipment and cables. This also means they will have trouble locating the hole. They had the same problem with Spectre module in Mir, whatever they did, they couldn't locate the hole from inside and outside. That's also why they had a pressure loss scare a couple of months ago. They just couldn't find if there was a hole or not.

  5. It's actually... by AzrealAO · · Score: 4, Informative

    part of the explosive restraining bolt assembly, that keeps the solar panel stowed during launch. Once it get's into orbit, the bolt's are blown apart, and the solar panel's deploy, so they're not needed once the Progress is in orbit.

    The pieces of the bolt are supposed to stay secured to the spacecraft with restraining wire (so that you don't have bolts and stuff tumbling around in the same orbit with you). The article says they're going to move the Canadarm into position to check to see if one of these restraining bolts is missing.

  6. The real conclusion by Zebra_X · · Score: 5, Informative

    That first paragraph prented as the headline is a bit inaccurate. Basically the article goes on to explain that the part in question is part of an explosive bolt, read, disposable. The space station is not falling apart as out slashdot editors would have us believe.

    Images of the object were sent to the Russians, and the boltlike object looked familiar. "Preliminary info from Moscow indicates that the eyebolt may be from the Soyuz solar arrays," the NASA report said. "Four of them are used to safe the [solar array] during launch with a hook mechanism, which is released via [explosive bolt] after insertion [into orbit]. The bolts are secured with a nut and a locking wire, and apparently one of them came free."

    The same bolts are used both on the Soyuz crew transport spacecraft and on Progress, the Russian-built cargo-only ship. Both vehicles are currently docked at the station, and NASA sources said Tuesday the Russians now believe the piece actually came off the Progress, which arrived at the space station at the end of last month. In the past, during periods of strong rhythmic thumping on an exercise device, the solar arrays on docked Soyuz and Progress craft can be observed to jiggle.

  7. Almost. Exact quotes from IMDB. by antdude · · Score: 4, Informative

    From IMDB:

    Lev Andropov: Excuse me, but I think I know how to fix this.
    Watts: Move it! You don't know the components!
    Lev Andropov: [annoyed] Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!!!

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  8. space duct tape erodes! by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kapton tape, which is essentially used as space duct tape, erodes in the presence of atomic oxygen. Atomic oxygen (just a single O, not the usual stable O2) is quite reactive, and will eat away many materials on the leading edge of spacecraft. Atomic oxygen is found more in the lower orbits (i.e. ISS and space shuttle) rather than the higer orbits (geosynchronous). Here are some pictures from the experiment.

    (yep, I'm a former rocket scientist)

  9. Re:Oh no... by Boglin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except, on the space station, you might actually need a $10,000 screwdriver. After all, you don't have the ground to leverage yourself against, so it's quite possible with a simple screwdriver to rotate there in space while the damn screw doesn't move at all. I remember that NASA found a way around this and that it wasn't cheap (though I don't think it was ten grand).

  10. Re:Oh no... by Boglin · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've got one of those, too. Of course, even when I use it, I can feel the torque back on my hand. Of course, this isn't a problem as my little plam driver doesn't have nearly enough torque to lift me off the ground.

    Take away that gravitational field and that torque which I feel on my hand has nothing fighting against it and I start (very slowly) spinning around on the axis of the screwdriver. Now, if there's a simple handle to hold onto on the satellite, then this is all negated and the torque goes into the screw instead of me. So, no, using a cordless screw driver doesn't fix the problem.

    Now, if there's a cordless screwdriver that doesn't deliver torque back onto the wielder, this is the solution.

  11. Re:ISS is part of NASA long term ..maybe by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2, Informative

    From what I've read, NASA (or maybe the White House) isn't as keen on the ISS as the Russians would like us to be, and they've expressed concern that we might be looking to back out of it in some way or another. Here's one link I dug up, but not the best: http://www.space.com/news/russia_iss_011106.html The upshot is, the US can afford to abandon the ISS if necessary, but it'll practically bankrupt Russia. Wouldn't be too good for relations.

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