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Sun's Simon Phipps Answers ESR On Java
comforteagle writes "Sun's Chief Technology Officer Simon Phipps has answered Eric Raymond's open letter calling on Sun to open source Java." In the quoted response, Phipps says (condensed) "I'd say this is 100 per cent rant... His simplistic accusations don't hold water... If this is the way that Open Source treats its friends, I'd hate to see how it treats its enemies... It's pretty difficult to respond to this. He's so out of touch."
Languages should be open source, be it C, C++, Java, or C#. If they aren't, they don't seem like good languages to me!
Got Apathy?
At least Sun stood up and called a spade a spade.
ESR you love guns so much, why don't you perform oral sex on the barrel and let it "blow your mind"
Thanks in advance
Erect Horsecock
Shame on you, Mr. Bush!
Eric paused, breathing heavily. He'd never done this before and he wanted to make sure all of his best qualities were included in this email.
Eric wondered if this woman he had found on match.com would be impressed with his talents. He decided to put more detail into the message.
ESR pondered for a moment, wringing out his soaked handkerchief, and continued with his typing.
Chewing on his tongue and squinting, Eric pushed his mind into overdrive and produced a beauty of a riddle on the spot:
Pleased with his linguistic talents, undoubtedly matched by no one, Eric then asked his potential love-conquest:
Eric exhaled slowly and rubbed his belly. It was growling and no doubt wanted its nightly bottle of Jgermeister. He decided to finish up the email in anticipation of the coming alcoholic stupor.
Eric wondered how to wrap up the email, something that would hook the lady on him and make her want more...
We, of the linux community, can no longer tolerate the scourge that is Eric S. Raymond. in the text that follows, I shall show that ESR is NOT the innocent open source advocate everyone believes him to be. He is, in fact, a German conspirator in the petroleum industry.
Mr. Raymond is a complex personality, as are many of today's wealthy open-source advocates. Most people are not willing to look beyond his open-source writings and dig deeper to find the truth. I WAS willing.
Mr. Raymond's firearms advocacy is well-known. What is NOT well-known is where this intense love of firearms originated. After scouring several records in libraries all over the nation, I tracked down Mr. Raymond's father... Josef Raymond.
Josef Schlecter was an anti-Nazi activist in World War II Germany. Fearful of Nazi persecution, Mr. Schlecter had no choice but to design extremely sophisticated weaponry for the German army. He and his business partner, Dieter van Woehausen made a very comfortable living with their arms factory.
Everything went smoothly for several years, until Mr. van Woehausen was discovered in a compromising position with a young Hitler-youth, who shall remain nameless due to his being a minor at the time. Young Mr. Schlecter watched in horror as the brown shirts cut his friend and business partner to pieces with machetes. To add insult to injury, Mr. van Woehausen's heart, having been left exposed by the mutilation, was abducted by a starving dog.
Severely traumatized, and fearful for his family's safety, Mr. Schlecter gathered his wife Eva, his young son Erik and daughter Heidi and left for America. To avoid persecution by suspicious FBI agents, Mr. Schlecter adopted the Americanized version of his name: Raymond. He also changed the names of his children to Eric and Janet.
Mr. Raymond made a good life for himself and his family in his new homeland. He built a formidable empire out of his full-service gas station chain... an industry increasingly under the control of German immigrants. Young Eric, however, was embittered and longing for his homeland.
Several years later, Mr. Raymond passed away from consumption. While sorting through his deceased father's belongings, young Eric came across several firearms manufactured in his father's old factory. Eric packed his father's weapons in a duffel bag and left for Germany to study the ways of the great German military leaders.
After months of intensive combat training and years of meditation in the mountains of Germany, Eric Raymond returned to America to reclaim his father's vast petroleum empire. His strong-arm tactics and cunning ruthlessness were the envy of even the most powerful mob-bosses.
A few years ago, Mr. Raymond received word that he was about to be investigated by the FBI. where did he get this inside information? From his sister, Janet... Janet Reno. Mr. Raymond turned control of the petroleum empire over to his eldest son, Fredo, and disappeared for several months.
The next we heard of Mr. Raymond was his infamous, "The Cathedral and the Bazaar." Mr. Raymond had not forseen a small problem, however. The FBI did, in fact, continue its investigation of Mr. Raymond. But not Mr. Eric Raymond.... Mr. Fredo Raymond. Mr. Fredo Raymond was imprisoned for conspiring to abduct and sexually assault a hot young actress... Natalie Portman. Eric Raymond regained control of his petroleum empire.
A sordid tale, I know. But think... stocks of linux-related companies have been plummeting... gas prices are increasing... coincidence? I think not.
You mean like that "open" Ultrasparc III y'all have?
Sun is no friend of open source
Give me a break.
ESR is an idiot wannbe Druid Chieftan. Nothing more.
He wrote a book and "maintains" some webmail program. Why does anyone even pay attention to him?
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
Everything ESR says is a rant! He may be a great programmer, and he may have some great ideas. But even when he's right, he comes across as a sophomoric jackass. When I read one of his diatribes, I feel like I'm sitting in a coffeehouse at 3AM with a bunch of 20 year old philosophy students from a third rate university. So I think "rant" and "out of touch" characterize ESR very well. Grow up, Richard, and get a job (a real one).
enough said. sweet irony.
Sun needs to do two things.
First, they need to open up the Java standard unconditionally, so that anybody who wants to implement it can do so without restrictions or interference from Sun; right now, the Java 2 platform specifications are covered by licenses, and conforming implementations would probably run into several Sun patents.
Second, because Java has become so bloated and Sun has effectively killed off competing efforts, it is far too late to hope for independent implementations of the Java platform, so if Java is ever going to be an "open standard" in any meaningful sense, Sun has to open source their JVM.
Of course, at this point, I hope they won't. I think technically, Java has become a lost cause. It's easier to replace it than to fix it.
It's pretty easy to respond to Sun... Keep your stinkin infantile Java. It makes mental midgets out of formerly promising programmers. I don't even understand why Eric wasted his breath on such a non-topic. Just let Java die folks. We'll all be better off for it. I've personally been slimed by three separate teams of hypester wanna-be Java programming advocates. They're all the same, hype hype hype and no finish their product. Give me old school (C) software developed by competent developers on modern hardware anyday.