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Have We Learned from the New Economy?

prostoalex writes "The new issue of Fast Company magazine looks at the so-called New Economy in retrospect. There were some myths about the Internet that were not true, or could be considered true only partially in the brief history of the Internet boom, there were people who got burned and those who nicely cashed out and then there were those who had to start a new life because of the Internet."

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  1. I know what I learned by mekkab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1)Internet Hype
    2)???
    3)Profit!

    Actually, World of End's What the Internet Isn't (previously featured on slashdot) has the ideas that can be applied to the "new economy."

    the people who grasped these ideas are the long term winners.

    Sure, spammers claim that they make money, but just like intrusive telemarketers their days are numbered!

    Some domain name speculators made out. Some vapourware employees made out. But these are flash in the pan events.

    Jeff Bezos and Co turned a profit! How? By aggregating their shipping (that free shipping option that allows them to pack more onto a truck) they are using tried and true business methods to stay profitable.

    So what have we learned form the new economy? If you don't have a sustainable business model (i.e. 1)hype 2)??? 3) Profit!) then cash out quick! (however I think that business model is pretty old; Con-men have been around for years!)

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    1. Re:I know what I learned by master+control+progr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Another book discussing the wonders of the "new economy" (post-industrialism) is Unsustainable. I just finished, it's excellent.

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    2. Re:I know what I learned by wiggys · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sure, spammers claim that they make money, but just like intrusive telemarketers [slashdot.org] their days are numbered!

      I really wish that were true, but I don't think we'll see an end for a long time, if ever. I cannot think of a way to ever eradicate spam... even if 99% of us installed and use mail filters, kept our machines as secure as possible so they couldnt get hijacked and refused to buy from the spamming arseholes it doesn't matter: the less-than-1% who do the opposite will ensure the spammers go on being retarded, deluded money-grabbing fuckwits.

      Charging for emails won't work either, in fact they will make it worse - the spammers will use other people's computers to send email, resulting in other people being charged for the privilege!

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    3. Re:I know what I learned by Bull999999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most people use this system.

      1. Hype
      2. ????
      3. Profit
      4. Greed
      5. Lose everything

      Or

      1. Wait until it's "safe" to invest (when the market's near the top)
      2. Invest
      3. Lose everything

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  2. Duh... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just picked up a package from the Post Office this morning. I placed the order on the internet and when it arrived the From address was about 10 miles from where I live, I drive past it twice every day and ride my bicycle past it on Saturdays and Sundays. I paid shipping and waited, when I could have just nipped in and got the item I wanted right away. Truly, I've taken the internet for granted. Anywhere to order from might as well be another country, for the way I simply point and click.

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    1. Re:Duh... by wibs · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a similar story... when I used to live in Long Beach, CA, I ordered a package that I soon found out was originating in Long Beach, CA through the online tracking. A week later it was in Nashville, TN, not long after that Illinois, and almost 2 weeks later it finally arrived having seen more of the US than I have. I know it's still cheaper than having an actual storefront, but the cost effectiveness of giving a box a vacation eludes me.

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  3. GI Joe by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've learned that Slashdot provides a lot of resources for procrastinating at work, reading articles about how much money is lost because employees surf the web at work...while surfing the web at work.

    And knowing's half the battle!

  4. Lesson Number One by rm007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big lesson to learn from the new economy was that the basic rules of economics still applied. Sure there were a lot of innovations that transformed many industries, but the basic laws of supply and demand still held true. The basic requirement that businesses had to generate revenue in order to survive still held true. It seemed that every time you looked around during the 90s there was another new economy: the information economy, the digital economy, the attention economy, the experience economy etc. etc. but these were all put forward by people who didn't know anything about economics.

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    1. Re:Lesson Number One by master+control+progr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly right. What makes this situation worse is that we abandoned "Old Economy" (Capital intensive, like manufacturing) in favor of these "New Economy" industries (which require almost no capital to get into), and now we're getting our asses kicked by India and China. It's going to get worse, too.

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    2. Re:Lesson Number One by nelsonal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just as mathmaticians and pool sharks are usually two different groups with some crossove, economists and rich people usually have some crossover but remain distinct groups. My favorite dilbert leads with an economist beginning his talk with "I will now explain to you how even though I know all about money, I still dress like a flood victim." But yes you are generally right when you say that people on TV either aren't the best at finance, or if they are, don't really have time to give you the all the information you need to make a good decision.

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  5. What I Learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meet the new economy. Same as the old economy.

    People unwilling to relocate, who thought customer orientation was beneath them, who only wanted to work on leading edge technology, funded by venture vultures got burned bigtime.

    Those of us in other locations (say philly), who focused on customer-oriented services, and did work on boring old accounting systems and automating boring old work flows did fine. We were customer funded. We did fine. As a matter of fact we had to turn down work just to preserve our sanity.

  6. what i learned from the internet boom by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    strangely enough, the titles of the magazines devoted to the internet boom: "fast company", "red herring", "wired": these were cautionary roadsigns, titles picked perhaps unconsciously as signposts of what we were all really dealing with

    we were all... "slashdotted" ;-P

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  7. the roaring nineties by gimpboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    for further reading i would suggest: the roaring nineties written by josepth stiglitz. stiglitz, who won the nobel prize in economics, was part of the clinton administration. i just finished it and i think it gives a great overview of what went wrong and what went right with the "new economy". he is fairly balanced-being critical of both bush and clinton. also, you dont have to be an economist to appreciate the arguments presented in this text.

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  8. Re:dont be fooled by dave420-2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks, but we could really have used that nugget of wisdom in '97 :-P

  9. What does it matter? by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't matter what we've learned, because like every other economic bubble, by the the next one has come along everyone will either:
    i) think they know why this one is going to be different or
    ii) will have forgotten the lessons of this one anyway

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  10. What I learned from the New Economy by KarmaOverDogma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as politics, money and corruption is concerned:

    The more things change, the more they stay the same (ref: "Golden Rule" - he who has the gold, makes the rules).

    I know the above comment is cheap, but IMO, one thing that *hasn't* changed in the "new economy" is that (white-collar) crime still pays for too many high powered execs and that corporate accountability is hard to enforce.

    Again, IMO, this is one of the reasons more people lost their jobs, in high-tech or anywhere else, than was neccessary.

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  11. New Economy is the myth by b-baggins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole notion of a "new economy" is the myth. Economics will be what it always has been: People offering something that other people want/need. The only thing that changes is what is offered.

    Those who understand that have successful internet businesses. Those who don't have failed internet businesses.

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  12. This is well known stuff by fruey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The business paradigm didn't change overnight, bad business didn't become good because of a web site, and you still had to make more money than you were spending in the reasonably short term...

    The whole phenomenon was down to greed. I worked on a big project, and it happened like this:

    1. A good idea started
    2. Good people got hired
    3. Investors dumped in a load of money
    4. Stuff got too big too quick
    5. People on stupid salaries started thinking they had to change stuff all over the place, new logo new this new that
    6. The web visitors just said no thanks had enough - it wasn't working like it used to
    7. The site that is left is no more, but you can see the changes here:
    Links: what was left The new look The old look country site

    The idea was OK, but by the time a load of stupid shit like free email, instant messaging and all that was tacked on, it just didn't work any more, cost way too much money...

    But we had a great launch party for Orientation Morocco, let me tell you!

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  13. What I've learned from all this: by michael+path · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The one thing I get to take with me after taking a job in 1999 at age 19 to make more money than I ever expected to, through being both fired and laid off in 2003, is that continued education and awareness of the outside world have been paramount towards any career success I have.

    The Internet continues to be my preferred source of education. I've taken online classes through a community college. Newsgroups have helped me solve most of the problems I have at work, and I look sharper for it. I've regularly used online news sources to keep me aware of what's new in the world, given that local news anchors have more brilliance in their smile than their skulls.

    Aside from my service costs, the Internet remains as free as Al Gore intended :)

    -m.

  14. it grabbed media attention .. by psycho_tinman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    made technology startups mainstream news; focused public awareness and attention on the internet and what it can allow you to do. All of these are good things. It showed people what would work and what wouldn't. Sometimes in a stark and brutal fashion. I can't say it was an era that should have never happened, because sometime, somewhere, you need to make that leap of faith from merely thinking about a business to actually starting one. The new economy gave lots of budding entrepreneurs the chance to get their feet wet, chances that they may not have gotten before..Google came from the dotcom era, didn't it?

    The best thing to come out of the whole "new economy" for me was the experience that I got.. Never jump into a project without a cold blooded analysis of risk vs reward, never go into a company because they "look" exciting; check the fundamental things out first. Feather your nest, because you never know if things could change for the worse tomorrow. In short, be conservative.

    All the same, I wish I had graduated just a couple of years sooner (1997-1998) because regardless of competency or suitability, being called an "architect" fresh out of college gives you experience at that level that would otherwise take years to achieve.. Good times, good times.

  15. Lessions learned by Bull999999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that people who wants to play the market should take a class in accounting or similar courses to learn to read financial statements. I took several accounting courses in hopes of opening my own business someday and I was suprised to find that GAAP allows enough flexablility to inflate or deflate the "earnings" by the companies. I also learned that Statement of Cash Flow often times are more important the Income Statement or Balance Sheet. (A company yachet may be counted as an asset but does nothing to brining in money and most likely to be sold under the book value if company needs cash).

    All the day traders I knew during the boom didn't know how to read the financial statements. They just relied on advises of some hot shot, other day traders who knew no better, and their gut feelings.

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  16. True Story... by Noryungi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I remember reading Wired Magazine about " The New Economy ". Yes, the one with a big green Godzilla on the cover.

    Closing the magazine, I thought: "Either these guys deserve a Nobel Prize in Economics, or they just don't understand anything about Economics".

    Late 1999, I remember talking to a friend about Yahoo and other companies offering free services over the World Wide Web. He could not understand how these companies could offer a valuable service (email, personal web space, etc) for free and (a) make money, (b) have a stock price that went through the roof.

    I remember telling him: "This is not going to last. The stock market is going to crash really badly and most of these companies are going to go down in flames".

    Today, I am really happy most of my money was not invested in stupid schemes such as pets.com or any other "new economy"/Internet company.

    Bottom line? Here are my most basic rules for economy, new or otherwise...

    1. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. If it looks like a free lunch, there must be a catch.
    2. Whatever goes up (especially stock price) will eventually go down, because everything in economy is based on cycles. It does not matter if you sell pork rinds, soda or personal computers.
    3. Do not invest in a company when you can't understand its business model (or what it sells) because it is probably a scam. That's how Warren Buffet made a fortune and it's always a god rule of thumb.


    One last thing: 90% of all the people who made money in the new economy where insiders, people who knew if a stock was going to go up or down. Think about that for a second.
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  17. Sendmygift.com by thejuggler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone ever heard of that company? I used to work for them back in 1998-2000. It was supposed to be a huge (as Amazon) online store where people could by gifts chosen from our catalog that had thousands of gift items from jewelry (high end stuff) to home and garden, business, kids gifts, kitchen and food items to flowers. There was a gift reminder service (a personal event calendar where you enter event b-day's, etc.) that would remind you to buy a gift for the scheduled event, it would even provide a few suggestions based on info you provided.

    The only problem was that the owners allegedly sold private shares of stock illegally. (A court Minnesota ruled against the company is several lawsuits brought by shareholders). The bankruptcy still lingers on. The thousands of shares I received for being an employee are worthless. My belief now is that the owner never intended to make money or operate a successful business. All he talked about was 'going public' and how rich we (he) were going to be.

    The "New Economy' taught me a lot. After working to two other companies with the same business model I now work for an 'Old Economy' business that actually believes in making a profit, serving it customers and taking care of it employees. There is no IPO in sight for this company and that's fine with me.

    I'll take a steady paycheck today instead of the promise of stock pay offs tomorrow.

  18. We were conned - had nothing to do with technology by SmilingMonk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This may come as a bit of a surprise, but the "new economy" was a ruse. It was a way of separating your investment dollars from your wallet and giving it to the IPO underwriters, investment bankers, and Vulture Caplitalists. PBS Frontline ran a series of programs that illustrate this point very well.

    One of the key indicators of just how well the ruse worked is that 60% of the working public was in one way or another invested in "Wall Street" during the late 1990's. The last time this many of the "regular working public" invested was during the 1920's.

    Another, perhaps clearer indicator of how well the ruse worked is looking at just how much money was drained from the US economy (ie: your wallets and mine): $3.3trillion.

    It's tragic, really. The technology was in some cases quite good. eBay roars along. Dell digitized their entire business model. And governments around the world have started to adopt Open Source works as the foundation from which to build upon. But greed extracted a huge price on the economy and our ability to reinvest those dollars in continued Research and Development.

  19. Kim Polese by asr_man · · Score: 4, Funny

    7. Kim Polese, cofounder and former chairman of Marimba

    Then: To put it crudely, Polese was one hot chick in a room full of nerds. ...

    Really? Judge for yourself...

    1. Re:Kim Polese by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Hey, don't dis Carly!
      >
      >She may not have the looks but powerful professional women like her (and Hillary C) turn me on.
      >
      > Either of them is free to whip my ass raw with a riding crop and ream me with a strap-on dildo - anytime, anywhere.

      You worked at HP too, huh?

  20. Speculation bubbles are not modern inventions by poszi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nothing beats the 17th century tulipmania . The power of human greed is always amazing.

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    1. Re:Speculation bubbles are not modern inventions by afeeney · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You are so right, but there's one thought that I would add.

      Just like the tulip mania or the South Sea Bubble or all the other bubbles since, once all the attention is on the stock rather than the intrinsic value of the product or service, then winning or losing depends on timing the market. (Or on having insider information.)

      One thing that I think made the Dotcom Bubble a different twist was that it coincided with the rise of daytrading, the ubiquitous information age, and the age of easy credit card debt, so it was even easier for the people who have only the foggiest notion of evaluating and forecasting a stock's value to get into the market.

      Certainly during the previous bubbles, lower-income people could still get in on the speculation, but there were several new forces converging to add to its capacity to reach investors.

    2. Re:Speculation bubbles are not modern inventions by nelsonal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One hobby of mine is financial history, it was pretty funny to read the sages of Tulipmania and compare their stataments with analysts in 1999-2000, if you had replaced tuplips with IT, telecom, or the internet and put a company on the top, you could have saved a whole lot of cost, and put out investment research surprisingly similar to major investment banks.

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  21. Programming is a means to an end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing most out-of-work programmers and undergrad students haven't yet grasped is that programming is not an ends of itself. You don't make a decent living as a programmer; you make a decent living using programming to develop something that has utility to someone willing to pay money for it. Simply pronouncing your C++/Java skills and hoping someone gives you a problem to solve doesn't qualify you for an $80k/yr job. People who will succeed in software from here on out will have to be focused on finding innovative things to do (hint: more free software ain't it) and hoping nobody has patented it first.

    Unfortunately, most of the low-hanging fruit has been picked and society's need for programmers is much, much less.

  22. Re:Al Gore invinted the Internet? by Emor+dNilapasi · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is one of those flat-out lies that won't die. If those pinheads had done even the least bit of fact-checking they would have found that this canard was the creation of RNC spin-meisters. The curious can check out these links:

    http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggi ns /

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/136 40 .html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/ca mp aigns/wh2000/stories/gore032199.htm

    and there are many, many more.

    FWIW, we actually get the dead-tree edition of Fast Company magazine (don't ask why, it's a long story) and it's just as slick and empty as any of the old Dot-Com business plans. These people are just a waste of ink and pulp.

  23. What I learned during the bubble... by ubiquitin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... is that self employment is the safest way to build a career. Why? The fundamental unit of trust is another person, not another company. As self-employed, I've insulated myself from most, if not all, of the stupid crap that companies do. While I have friends who have been laid off and rehired several times, I'm now for the first time confident in my financial future because I have a list of clients who all really need my services. They now trust me to get the work done. I trust them to pay on time. And that (to me) is worth more than a fat 401k because in ten years my work will be inflation-adjusted and grows with my clients (all of whom have been selected in part because they are likely to grow and already have a good pattern of it.)

    And when I get ready to hire? The number one thing I'll be looking for on those resumes is a history of self-reliance and individual responsibility. There are a lot of professional committee-manipulators out there who like their comfortable BigCorp positions, and good for them. I'm confident that in twenty years, when we both look back and to see where we stand, my contributions to the world will be both worthwhile and significant.

    Really, it all boils down to trust. That's what underlies the economic viability of open source: you're dealing with people and standardized network protocols and not organizational entities or proprietary lockin.

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  24. what goes around comes around by mabu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Interesting topic, though I would characterize Fast Company as the "Cosmo" of tech/business publications. I found some of the articles non-researched, ill-conceived and sophmoric. In one section Fast Company continues to propagate the myth that Al Gore claimed he 'invented the Internet'.

    I was one of the folks who stood around scratching his head at the explosion of IPOs for "dot coms" that had no legs to stand on. Why the imposion occurred shouldn't have surprised anyone who was paying attention, but it played on many peoples' sense of greed at the expense of their common sense.

    I was one of the people who was there in the early days with technology and services that were way ahead of their time. OTOH, I was one of those that didn't run out, sign up a bunch of pimply-faced MBAs for a management team and then rush to do an IPO. Today, my company is far from the largest, but we're very stable and have a solid client base. I don't have a personal helocopter, but I did get my small slice of the dot-com pie when I sold a domain I registered in 1994 for an insane amount of money. That was exciting and depressing at the same time. It wasn't what I ever imagined would be one of the big payoffs relative to what we were doing. I suspect there may have been at least a few other companies who really wanted to build an honest solid net-based business model, that were overshadowed by the parade of spineless, over-hyped dot-coms run by people who perhaps a month before were selling life insurance.