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Infinium Labs Threatens Gaming News Site

Over the past year or two, Slashdot has run a number of stories about Infinium Labs and their Phantom Game Console (that phrase still makes me smile, every time). I think we've been generous to them, taking their game console talk at more or less face value, despite the vaporous nature of the product. Now they've decided that threats are a better plan for improving their image than producing a real product, and threatened HardOCP over an older news story. Our own Robin Miller has talked to Infinium and written up his impressions of the situation.

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  1. Way to win over potential customers by mwheeler01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought this kind of behavior was reserved for companies that could afford to lose customers or that had an existing customer base. What do they wish to gain? Slander is difficult to pin on someone especially new organizations if you're in the public eye.

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  2. Go Infinium.. or something.. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I'm no legal strategist but wouldn't it be smarter for Infinium to actually demo one of these consoles then go after HardOCP for slander/defamation/whatever? Right now it sounds like they don't like the attacks on their vapourware. My idea assumes, naturally, that Infinium actuall has a Phantom console to demo...

    Infinium needs to shit or get off the pot (ala SCO)

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    1. Re:Go Infinium.. or something.. by The+Gline · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That they had a prototype unit up and running does not make it real. Real is when they have them coming off the assembly line and available in stores.

      The negative news surrounding the company is because they have promised the moon and delivered squat. Game library: no show. Alliances with developers: zilch. The unit itself? As far as I can tell, ONE prototype was demoed. A prototype is not proof that the device is being mass-manufactured.

      Can I buy the console? No. Can I play anything on it? Not really. Ergo: vapor.

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  3. This is damn sad. by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I have to give props to Roblimo for having the courage to have a bit of satirical fun with this, it almost makes me want to cry to realize that things have gotten this absurd.

    Has the business world become so totally detached from reality that they honestly believe that they shouldn't be criticised for something as blatantly bullshit as this? What kind of strange alternate reality is this company living in?

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    1. Re:This is damn sad. by Nic-o-demus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What kind of strange alternate reality is this company living in?

      The reality of greed. I've known people like this. I agree completely with you- it's very, very sad. There is a kind of personality that craves "luxeries." Even before they have made any money, if they go on a business trip, they like to be in the nice hotel, to sit in the hot-tub, to eat expensive chocolates. Then they get some money, usually through some fluke or because some other greedy person has been duped, and then for the rest of their lives, they feel like they deserve that kind of income. So then they spend the rest of their lives (or until they have a real life changing experience *cross fingers*) doing everything they can to maintain it. They sponsor nascars, they buy stock in airlines, they blow through venture capital without any accountability or sense of responsibility- it's simply the money they deserve. A lot of criminals (of the enron sort) are made this way.

      It's worse than a drug habit, because the whole world is telling them on some level that what they're doing is "success." As inneffective as it often is, it is good that society in general can tell a person "your drug habit is destroying your life." In the world of greed, though, this rarely happens. Instead, the person is circled by his greedy lawyers (tm) and business friends and political friends in high places. (I'm not saying those professions are all greedy- it's just that the greedy among them clump together).

      Anyway, whether you make money or not, if you feel you would ever be susceptible to that feeling/habit, the one thing that we as humans can do despite popular culture's teachings is change our own character and personality with concious effort. The reason "Riches Don't Make you Happy" sounds so cliche is because it's true. And yet how many of us can actually be honest with ourselves and admit we believe that money will make us happier. Anyway, now I'm rambling. That's my brief overview of the altered reality of greed.

      For the record- I LOVE INFINIUM LABS! Those terrible things the journalists said about you can't be true, and nothing I said in this post should in any way be construed to be referencing any of your noble founders.

  4. Not an attack on the hardware, per se... by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, the HardOCP article is more of an attack on the credibility of the founder of the company. While it's nothing but a listing of hard facts, it paints a very bleak picture of Tim Robert's competence as an entrepreneur. Essentially, it charges that many of the companies he worked for were failures, and the only ones which are still operational (or could at least be contacted) had family members working in high places there. The only exception to this is a company that went IPO a couple of years after he left and then sunk to the point of being threatened with delisting. They basically come out and say that the man is a multi-time loser who has wasted millions of investor dollars and whose business doesn't even have a physical office -- just a bunch of press releases.

    As a news organization, HardOCP has a lot going for them in a slander/libel case. The only thing I think which they might be liable on is the implication (not a direct statement) that Tim Roberts being at WorldCom was somehow related to the bankruptcy of WorldCom.

    As for the trademark violations, IANAL, so I don't know how liable a news organization can be for using a company's name and logo in a report without their permission. I doubt that they're going to be in any serious trouble, so long as they go back and place "tm's" on everything, but trademark law has surprised me many times before.

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  5. Actually, it's libel. by *weasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slander regards spoken insults, in print it's called libel. That aside, it isn't libel if it's the truth. So long as nothing HardCOP said was fabricated - it's an open and shut deal. Infinium is just wasting even more time and money not making games.

    Why the hell does Infinium labs care now, five months later? If they felt wronged by the story, you'd think they'd have at least demanded a retraction back when it broke. So my guess is that this is the only way they can get back in the headlines anymore. They probably had some press release recently that was passed over by the media - so now they're fighting to be remembered.

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    1. Re:Actually, it's libel. by calbanese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, if they were disparagin the product, its not slander or libel. Those are reserved for people. If its a product, its injurious falsehood.

  6. They have no intent to sue by blorg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I thought this kind of behavior was reserved for companies that could afford to lose customers or that had an existing customer base. What do they wish to gain? Slander is difficult to pin on someone especially new organizations if you're in the public eye.

    They have no intent to sue. They just hoped that by sending a threatening letter they might get HardOCP to take down an article that might scare away the venture capitalists that they want to extract money from.

  7. I think HardOCP should agree to remove the article by inkless1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But I would take it even further, following Robin's strategy.

    Just remove all articles. Inifinium has produced nothing but laughable trash when it comes to PR anyway and I don't think the gaming industry needs any more from blowhard vaporeware merchants. Don't give these guys any soap box, good bad or otherwise, in which to con venture capitol from anyone else. Especially with the clear lack of respect they have for the online community you would think they would want to entice.

    Just make them vanish. I mean jeebus, these were the rocket scientists who couldn't get an online email form to work right - who thinks they can produce a secured broadband game delivery console before Sony and MS swallows up the market?

    They want the "truth" to come out? Fine. Let them put a product on the shelves. Until them, just blackball them from the web.

  8. Product? by KeeperS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shouldn't Infinitum Labs be more concerned about, you know, getting some sort of product out on the market? The fact that they're suing seems to prove that the Phantom is nothing more than vaporware. If you have an actual product that's actually going to be worth buying, suing only pisses your customers off. If Infinitum Labs was really worried about the claims made against them, they should try and disprove that information or at least put an optimistic spin on it.

    So, to Infinitum Labs, I say this: release your console! At the very least, demonstrate that this isn't some ploy to bilk money out of investors. What's that, Infinitum Labs? You say you can't do that?

  9. Legal grounds (Or: ROTFLMAO) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Threatening action against a news site under the Federal Trademark Dilution Act (43(c) of the Lanham Act) is tantamount to putting a leash on a kitchen sponge and calling it a housecat.

    FTDA was intended to protect famous trademarks from being "diluted" through third-party derivative use. Unfortunately for Infinium, they'd have trouble simply proving their mark is "famous" in the legal sense of the term ("famous" for what? Vapor?). Even worse for them, injunctive relief under FTDA now adheres to an "actual harm" standard (Moseley v. V Secret Catalogue Inc., U.S., No. 01-1015, AKA "that Victoria's Secret case), which Infinium would be hard pressed to show.

    Finally, of course, their threat is absolutely meaningless because of the provisions of 15 U.S.C. 1125(c)(4)(C):

    The following shall not be actionable under this section: * * * All forms of news reporting and news commentary.
    Oops. How much they pay for that legal representation again?

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  10. cock pistol, aim at foot, fire...ouch! by rbird76 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good idea Infinium! Now everybody knows about the article you didn't want them to see. Intimidating people into not revealing inconvenient facts only works if you're big enough and ruthless enough to scare the people who have the information into submission. Since you aren't big enough to do that, people are willing to stand up against you - and the information you wanted to keep away from the world is spread about for all to see.

    Your response to the article should tell your prospective investors that you're not smart enough to actually deserve their money or to use it wisely.