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Infinium Labs Threatens Gaming News Site

Over the past year or two, Slashdot has run a number of stories about Infinium Labs and their Phantom Game Console (that phrase still makes me smile, every time). I think we've been generous to them, taking their game console talk at more or less face value, despite the vaporous nature of the product. Now they've decided that threats are a better plan for improving their image than producing a real product, and threatened HardOCP over an older news story. Our own Robin Miller has talked to Infinium and written up his impressions of the situation.

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  1. Bad move by zeux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We did the same with DNF but 3D Realms never did something like that.

    That's maybe why lots of people here still think DNF is not vaporware ;)

  2. Don't look behind the curtain by curtisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is the VC cash running out? What are they trying to keep "under the radar"? Their CEO at least is making a grand living producing nothing.....is this bad press pissing on their gravy train perhaps?

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  3. Good for HardOCP! by NSash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is our official response in regards to this matter:

    I have extended HardOCP.com's pledge to correct any and all possible inconsistencies or errors in our editorial entitled "Behind the Phantom Console" personally to Timothy Roberts and Kevin Bachus of Infinium Labs and they have yet to inform HardOCP.com of any information we presented as being not correct. This courtesy was extended on September 17, 2003, the date the article was published and has been extended several times since then with no reply ever being received by HardOCP.com. It is my opinion that Infinium Labs' only interest is stifling HardOCP.com and our opinions. HardOCP.com still stands by our thoughts and opinions put forth in our editorial and no amount of legal badgering and frivolous lawsuits will change those opinions that we have shared with our readers.

    It's good to see a website refusing to be intimidated by spurious legal threats. To often, all it takes is the sound of a lawyer clearing his throat to get a website owner to panic and pull content. Of course, HardOCP is not exactly a two-bit operation, and Infinium Labs is far from a massive corporation, but I'll take my victories where I can. Here's to the free press.

  4. Re:Go Infinium.. or something.. by hchaos · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm no legal strategist but wouldn't it be smarter for Infinium to actually demo one of these consoles then go after HardOCP for slander/defamation/whatever? Right now it sounds like they don't like the attacks on their vapourware. My idea assumes, naturally, that Infinium actuall has a Phantom console to demo...
    It would be smarter, because they could then show that the HardOCP's statements were in fact false, which is necessary for a libel or defamation claim, but they wouldn't win anyway, because they would still have to show that HardOCP knew the statements were false. And the "use of Infinium's proprietary images ... with the intent to tarnish Infinium's image and dilute the value of its name" isn't going to get them anywhere, because HardOCP is a news organization, and has a lot of protections against this kind of thing, and definitely is not subject to trademark issues on this matter.

    The letter is probably nothing more than legal posturing, intended to scare the little guy, but of little use to anyone who has their own lawyer.
  5. Re:$1,250,100 ... by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you looked at the bottom of the Property Appraiser's Page, you would see that the last transaction on the property was when it was sold in 2001 for $100.00. That's where it comes from.

  6. using google's power to discredit phantom by jdkane · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Beyond the fight about the article itself, I am most surprised at how Google's power is used to effectively and accruately trace the owner's history. The article in question also makes effective use of the Google cache to point out content at a specific point in time.

    It seems the Phantom gaming company is subject to the power of Google. I'm surprised they haven't sent legal letters asking Google to remove them from cache (maybe that's happened already -- I didn't read all of the related articles associated with the main articles).

    I'm not surprised that Google is powerful, but instead how easy it could be used against somebody. It's a real eye opener, and potentially frightful to any public/coroporate figure.

    Even for non-famous individuals, like most of us, this can be scary. For example, as we go through life some of our values and beliefs change based on the journey. However a repository of what you *were* like and what you *did in the past* might not accurately reflect what you are today. The use of information can sometimes be scary.

  7. IANAL by Attaturk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I dunno. With a background like that of Tim Roberts and a product named "Phantom", I'm sure I could be forgiven for thinking that perhaps this was the strategy from the start.

    1. Produce hype and raise investment for a product that sounds like, looks like and feels like it's going to be vapourware.

    2. Wait until the hordes of enthusiast web sites start labelling the product vapourware.

    3. Sue the crap out of one of the smaller, juicier targets on the basis that they're having an financial impact on the product's ongoing development.

    4. Rinse, repeat steps 1 and 3 until you've raised so much money you can either a) actually build the product or b) do a runner.

    5. Well, profit. =P

    Maybe I'm just a little jumpy in this SCO-et-al era. I'm not trying to bait but I would genuinely love to hear some /. IANAL's and IAAL's debunk this particular conspiracy theory. :)

  8. Jiggery-pokery? by karmaflux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can anyone decipher that?

    ...and does anyone else suspect that this whole ordeal might be a front for the REAL BUSINESS?

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  9. Re:$1,250,100 ... by 36526542DD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That is him selling the house to a relative or associate for $100, to protect the house from litigation and bankrupcy.

    That way, when his virtual house of cards comes falling down, which it will, he still has a physical house to go back to.

    Dishonest people filing for bankrupcy (which accounts for about 98% of bankrupcies) often transfer assets into the names of their children, etc to avoid losing them.

  10. Re:Actually, it's libel. by Winkhorst · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't there actually have to BE a product?

    In any event, I just sent the following email to their corporate lawyers, who, amazingly enough, go by the acronym MOFO:

    Gentlemen:

    First let me say that your corporate name, MOFO, sounds as if it were specifically designed to strike fear into the hearts of anyone you deal with. Or perhaps you just don't understand the slang meaning of the term MOFO.

    I have just read the article, "Behind the Infinium Phantom Console," at the HardOCP site against which you have apparently issued a nasty letter in your best lawyerly legalese. I am curious, since I take the idea of freedom of speech quite seriously, just why exactly your client and you refused to supply the above mentioned site with any information as to what exactly you found inaccurate or distressing about that article. Personally, I found it quite enlightening and informative. Just for the record, just what exactly DO you find inaccurate about this story? I am always interested in learning the truth and I look forward to your reply so that I may further my knowledge of this company and its director.

    Regards,

    [deleted]

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  11. Re:Way to win over potential customers by EvilAlien · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't think they are at the "potential customer" phase of their business plan. I believe they are still at the "potential product" phase, since Rob's articles suggests they have finally passed the "potential office space" phase.

    The Phantom isn't vaporware... the COMPANY is vaporware. These guys are probably failed spammers... what is Bachus going to have once Infiniwhatsit strips him of his credibility?

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  12. Re:This is damn sad. by The+Wing+Lover · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What kind of strange alternate reality is this company living in?

    The United States of America.

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  13. Did anyone else notice the resume?? by murfygirl · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Who puts this on their resume, unless they are just trying to stream a line of BS.
    Quickbooks, Quicken, CuteFTP, WINRAR, WINACE, WINZIP, Windows Media Player, Real Player, Roxio Easy CD Creator, all internet browsers and most others.
    I removed some of the stuff that was acceptable on a resume, but who asks if you can use Winzip or WMP. That's like asking if you can use the microwave.