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U.S. Air Force Plans for War In Space

arhca writes "Wired has an article about the U.S. Air Force's plans to put military weapons in outer space. Plans include firing hypervelocity rods from space to targets on the ground, space-based lasers and large mirrors to reflect the beams at targets on the ground, and a space-based radio frequency energy weapon to destroy or disable foreign satellites. The Air Force's PDF can be found here."

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  1. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah the sheer scope of our commitement to killing each other is staggering.

    Technology? Progress? Dude, nothing has changed since my ancestral parent kicked your acestral parent's ass with a bone club.

    Web pages, blogs, palm pilots....big fucking deal.

    1. Re:wow by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The most peaceful? What the hell are you talking about? War has been ravaging the world for the last sixty years. Not in the US or (most of) Europe, but elsewhere in the world -- nearly all of Africa, most of South and Central America, South and Southeast Asia have all seen significant conflicts in the past 60 years. Is it more than in the past? It's hard to say -- there's more people and more activity. There's less "war", but that's largely meaningless, it only reflects on modern diplomacy and current definitions of war.

      War has a tremendous effect on our world. Every famine you hear about in Africa is caused by war -- not by drought. I think history will identify both halves of the 20th century as times of war, not peace.

  2. $1 Trillion debt and counting.. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    So these weapons will float up there without an enemy (at the moment) but once a foreign nation is considered "evildoers" the U.S. can rain down destruction as their war-machine infrastructure is already in place.

    Naturally the American taxpayers will be told that this will make the world a safer place.

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    1. Re:$1 Trillion debt and counting.. by ArghBlarg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How can this be seen as anything *but* an act of aggression (NOT self-defense) by the rest of the world?

      And how does making the rest of the world even *more* afraid and distrustful of the world's most heavily-armed and interventionist country make the world "a safer place"? Why does the US need to protect itself from space? No one else has huge frickin' laser beams up there. Not to mention that this totally violates the international treaties on the militarization of space.

      One of the biggest reasons the US and its citizens are targets of terrorism is because the US government has, for the last 50 years at least, blatantly disregarded the sovereignty of other nations, killed innocent civilians, toppled democratically-elected governments because they didn't do whatever the current administration wanted, etc..

      I'm not excusing or condoning what terrorists do, but a lot less people would choose to resort to terrorism if their wives, daughters, cousins, and children hadn't been killed by selfish "foreign policy" actions by the US. Same goes for *any* country that resorts to force for its own selfish reasons.

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    2. Re:$1 Trillion debt and counting.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Go get your own military for once"

      I love the smell of NeoCon bullshit in the morning. You know what? Other nations DO have militaries. You know what else? They are often quite sufficient for self-defense against any plausible attacker (except the US of course).

      Let's take France, since NeoCons LOVE France. France has a decent military. It can defend against any plausible threat except a US invasion. You know why they don't commit troops to our campaigns? Because the countries we're invading aren't threats to France (or anyone else)!

      So now that we've established that other countries CAN, generally speaking, defend themselves with their existing armies, I guess the only unanswered question is whether the US, being the only country capable of successfully invading any country they like, will actually do it. Frankly, the money of those outside the US is better spent trying to prevent the US from attacking them than it is trying to match the US in military capabilities.

  3. There are plans for *everything* by bravehamster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chance favors the prepared mind....our military has contingency plans for EVERYTHING. There are departments in every branch whose only job is to constantly think up the most outlandish scenarios, idea, plans, etc. With every possible variant of enemies, allies, strength of forces, technology. I once saw a detailed plan of battle in the event that Canada and Mexico ally and attack the US. This same philosophy applies to funding projects. If congress suddenly gets a bug under it's ass about space defense, the Air Force can whip out this portfolio and say "Well, with only $60 million, we can put these forces in place." What's funny is to watch the public react when some of these plans leak. All sorts of people freak out, like a few years ago when a contingency plan for invading China leaked out at the same time that there was tension regarding Taiwan. Now maybe this proposal for space has advanced beyond that wild ass idea phase, and if that's the case then it's because the Air Force thinks Congress might go for it.

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  4. This is insane by zx75 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Brief overview of a proposal in front of the UN to ban all space-based weaponry which the US is actively part of.

    This, the nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament treaties, the anti-ballistic missile treaty, and the landmine treaty. Doesn't the US have ANY respect left for other countries let alone their own integrity? This is just getting disgusting.

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  5. Re:The reasonable, pacifist nerd in me Is horrifie by flacco · · Score: 5, Insightful
    But the adolescent male heterosexual in me is giddily excited at the prospects. Same with you, don't deny it.


    true, definitely true. but the weary middle-aged male in me isn't looking forward to eating catfood out of a can with my fingers in my retirement, what with all the output of our economy whizzing around in space over our heads.

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  6. Re:Arms Race by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yup. Just like nukes did. Just like smart bombs did. Just like cruise missiles did.

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  7. Re:Kinda reminds me about nuclear weapons. by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ABM Treaty had a clause in it that said that any party can withdraw from the agreement with six month's notice. Bush gave the six month's notice, and withdrew from the treaty.

    Of course, the ABM treaty was also signed with a nation that no longer exists, the USSR. So...what's the problem?

    The Space Treaty does not ban weapons in space, it only bans nuclear weapons in space. None of the weapons specified in this report are nuclear.

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  8. The 70's called. They want their world view back. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being able to drop MORE weapons on other nations does not do ANYTHING to "protect" the US citizens.

    We already spend more money on our military than anyone else in the world.

    What possible threat will this "protect" us from?

    Back in the "Cold War" era, this might have been useful. Now it is just a waste.

  9. Are YOU terminally stupid? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that why the US managed to hit a clearly located Red Cross compound in Afghanistan not once but twice? Or why it managed to hit a Chinese embassy building in the Balkans?

    It's not just about your bombs landing where they are aimed. It's about making sure that they are aimed in the right place as well. Without the latter, the former is pointless.

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  10. Re:That sounds bad ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scenarion 2: A big motherfucking bomb drops out of the sky, blows your friend into tiny kibbles-n-bits sized chunks, and sends you ass over elbows into a crumpled heap some 20 yards away. Your reaction? "HOLY FLURKING SHNIT!" What ya gonna do about it? You'd instantly realize you're way the hell out of your league.

    that just forces them not to fight against those with the big bombs directly.

    they end up hiding among civilians, sending out suicide bombers and crashing passenger jets into skyscrapers. they are resorting to these tactics because they know they are out of their league and this is the only way they have to fight back.

    also blowing up a city block to kill someone on their way to blow up a bus seems to fullfill their goals anyways. except any surviving victims of a bomb are going to hate us instead of the suicide bomber. of course the only way they will have to get back at us is to become terrorists themselves, since their army couldn't possibly fight us.

    but whatever... just means that the inivisible army that we need to be protected from will just get bigger and we'll need bigger bombs to protect ourselves from them.

  11. The Old Air Force Bake Sale Quote by saudadelinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It will be a great day
    when our schools get all the money they need
    and the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber

    Do we really need this stuff? I could see arguments for more communications hardware up there, but hypervelocity weapons and lasers? How many decades will pass before something even remotely workable is off the drawing boards? Ike must be rolling in his grave.

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  12. So much spare change by daveb · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I guess the US, being the only super-power (and colonizer), has so much money left over after ensuring it's people have the best healthcare, lowest crime and best education that protecting it's citizens via these weapons makes sense.

    ( ok they aren't colonies they are client-states)

  13. Re:Actually.... by Avallach95 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had the opportunity to hear Gorbachev speak back in 2000 in Florida. One of the quotes I took away was, "America tried very hard to lose the Cold War. The Solviet Union tried harder."

    Fairly succinct summary one would think.

  14. Re:Correction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Kyoto protocol was voted against 95 to 0 in the senate, and therefore had no chance of being legally binding in the US. We don't live in a dictatorship a president signing a treaty is mostly symbolic.

    2. The provisions of the ICC would have been unconstitutional in the US. Therefore any such treaty would be null and void, and a crime against the american people.

    3. The EU has been breaking a judgement by the WTO about bananas that went through the full appeals system for quite sometime now. Don't here a lot about that now do we? Besides.. those tarriffs were lifted.

    4. Awww... the rest of world honestly didn't understand what "serious consequences" was going to mean... get real!

    5. The ABM treaty was ALLOWED to be broken, with notice. Russia said the same thing although they called it "regrettable"

  15. Re:The 70's called. They want their world view bac by pubjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the problem for the US is that its traditional allies are starting to look more and more like strategic adversaries every day.

    Yes, but it's the US that has changed, not the allies. When all your friends suddenly stop liking and trusting you, the chances are that it's you that's the problem, not your friends!