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NASA Open Source License Still Up For Discussion

Russ Nelson writes "There's been plenty of heated discussion about the NASA Open Source License, but although the OSI board approved five licenses and sent back seven, the NASA License is still up in the air, so to speak, hehe."

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  1. Re:Why not use the GPL? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because then closed source companies would not be able to use the code, and they helped pay for it.

  2. I think its still a good idea by HenryFjord · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just the fact that a government agency is willing to release code which they have created is a very postive sign. It is expected that it would be impossible to apply something such as the GPL to code maintained by a public funded entity. But even with a license more restrictive than the GPL releasing this code will obviously do much more good than harm to the open source community.

    I say kudos to them all

  3. More licenses... by koody · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Now we are going to hear a whole bunch of silly comments like "Just release it to public domain" and "why not gpl". If you would have RTFAs you'd know that nasa has some internal requirements for anything it releases such as
    NASA legal counsel requires that all NASA releases of software include indemnification of the U.S. Government from any third party liability arising from use or distribution of the software. See 4.B.

    This is just an example, and the reason why they can't release as PD.

    Whe shouldn't be complaining about the amount of energy (and money) being used on devising yet another license, but be glad that a large institution like NASA is willing to do everything it can to be OSI compatible when it releases its source code.
    Even if this process will slow down the release, use tax payer money on lawyers etc, this is a one time cost, at least if done properly. Hopefully it will function as an example to other government instances and maybe those instances will be able to release their source code under that license once it's ready.

    My personal hope is that we will gain a new accepted license to last beside the MIT, BSD, Apache, GPL and LGPL licenses that all government instances are free to use (government source license?) as it will be accepted by nasas lawyers.

    The only thing I fear that people will see this GPL compatibility as a waste of time and money, and release it under some falf assed license that will only cause problems and incompatabilities (Sun's license, XFree's proposed license, old apache license etc etc).

    Now quit whining about how they should just release it under public domain, and be grateful that they are wasting your money on something that may benefit you directly.

  4. Re:Why not use the GPL? by Pretzalzz · · Score: 5, Informative
    Because then closed source companies would not be able to use the code, and they helped pay for it.

    Excerpted from NASA's license:
    3. OBLIGATIONS OF RECIPIENT
    [snip]
    2. If Recipient distributes or redistributes the Subject Software in any form other than source code, Recipient must also make the source code freely available, and must provide with each copy of the Subject Software information on how to obtain the source code in a reasonable manner on or through a medium customarily used for software exchange.


    The reason that they don't what to use the GPL is because they want every recipient to register with NASA that they have recieved the software. A more onerous condition I have trouble imagining and I sincerely hope that this license is never blessed as an open source license[though it is a step in the right direction].
  5. Re:Why not use the GPL? by mmusson · · Score: 5, Informative

    The NASA submission explains why the GPL and other existing licenses do not meet their needs.

    They list five reasons:

    1. NASA legal counsel requires that all NASA releases of software include indemnification of the U.S. Government from any third party liability arising from use or distribution of the software.

    2. Federal Statute mandates that the U.S. Government can only be held subject to United States federal law.

    3. NASA policy requires an effort to accurately track usage of released software for documentation and benefits realized?purposes.

    4. Federal Statutes and NASA regulations requires a prohibition in NASA contracts against representations by others that may be deemed to be an endorsement by NASA.

    5. Because it is important that each of the aforementioned clauses be a part of each open source agreement relating to NASA released software, the proposed agreement must mandate that distribution and redistribution of the software be done under the aegis of NOSA (mandatory domination similar to GPL).

    Is item 3 the sticking point? The license text says:

    F. In an effort to track usage and maintain accurate records of the Subject Software, each Recipient, upon receipt of the Subject Software, is requested to register with NASA by visiting the following website: . Recipient's name and personal information shall be used for statistical purposes only. Once a Recipient makes a Modification available, it is requested that the Recipient inform NASA at the web site provided above how to access the Modification.

    --
    SYS 49152
  6. Two Words: Public Domain by Tassach · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Any unclassified intellectual property produced with taxpayer money should automatically be in the public domain, period, end of story. If a contractor puts patented code into a publicly-funded project, they are automatically granting the public a perpetual license to use that patent. Yes, this means they are granting a license to their competitors, but they are also getting back permission to use their competitors' patents. Since all the citizens paid for it, it belongs to all the citizens equally.

    --
    Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
  7. Re:Public Domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/105.html

    Sec. 105. - Subject matter of copyright: United States Government works

    Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise

  8. Re:Why not use the GPL? by john.r.strohm · · Score: 5, Informative
    The reason that they don't what to use the GPL is because they want every recipient to register with NASA that they have recieved the software. A more onerous condition I have trouble imagining and I sincerely hope that this license is never blessed as an open source license[though it is a step in the right direction].

    Not so. Here is the relevant language from the proposed license.


    F. In an effort to track usage and maintain accurate records of the
    Subject Software, each Recipient, upon receipt of the Subject
    Software, is requested to register with NASA by visiting the following
    website: ______________________________. Recipient's name and
    personal information shall be used for statistical purposes only. Once
    a Recipient makes a Modification available, it is requested that the
    Recipient inform NASA at the web site provided above how to access the
    Modification.

    [Alternative paragraph for use when a web site for release and
    monitoring of subject software will not be supported by releasing
    project or Center] In an effort to track usage and maintain accurate
    records of the Subject Software, each Recipient, upon receipt of the
    Subject Software, is requested to provide NASA, by e-mail to the NASA
    Point of Contact listed in clause 5.F., the following information:
    ______________________________. Recipient's name and personal
    information shall be used for statistical purposes only. Once a
    Recipient makes a Modification available, it is requested that the
    Recipient inform NASA, by e-mail to the NASA Point of Contact listed
    in clause 5.F., how to access the Modification.


    The key phrase in the language is "is requested to".

    NASA is, among other things, a government agency. They do understand legalese. Had they intended to state a requirement, that phrase would have been the single word "shall".

    "Shall" is a term of art in government specifications and legalese. It is used to state a requirement, and for no other purpose. (The standard tactic in defense firms for finding actual requirements in specifications is to do a text search for "shall".)