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Largest Lens Ever Discovered

K Tanmay writes "A team of Astronomers have found a natural lens capable of resolving details as fine as 10 microarcseconds across - equivalent to seeing a sugar cube on the Moon, from Earth. The lens comprises of a cloud of interstellar gas, and works on the principle of scintillation; where the clumpiness inside a cloud of gas creates a density change thus bending and focusing the light. This technique, dubbed 'Earth-Orbit Synthesis', will be first used to study black holes in distant quasars, so don't expect spectacular wallpaper replacing images. There's also an interview with Dr. Hayley Bignall, an astronomer from the Joint Institute for Very Long Baseline Interferometry in Europe (JIVE), where she discusses the concept of using interstellar scintillation to get observations that we could never measure from here on earth." Update: 02/22 18:23 GMT by T : That wikipedia link had led to the wrong place; here's the definition for arcsecond if you still want to read it.

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  1. This is so amazing! by digital_milo · · Score: 5, Funny

    They've found sugar on the MOON!!!

  2. Re:Actually... by DigitaLunatiC · · Score: 5, Informative

    A starlike object that may send out radio waves and other forms of energy; large red shifts imply enormous recession velocities [dictionary.com]

    Hope that's satisfactory.

  3. So... by hookedup · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean we can finally see the so called "landing site" on the moon? :)

    1. Re:So... by Lost+Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not unless there's a gas cloud between here and the moon. Chances are good the one hovering over L.A. doesn't count.

  4. Why Put Sugar on the Moon? by servoled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jeez... everyone knows that cheese and sugar have no business going together. Put a piece of sausage up there and you might have something worth looking at.

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  5. Dyn-o-mite by grungebox · · Score: 5, Funny

    The astronomer is from a group called JIVE? That's whack, yo.

  6. An error in the illustration? by beeplet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The caption to one of the illustrations reads:

    At some times of the year, both the Earth and the cloud 'lens' are moving in the same direction, and the observed variations are slow, but six months later they are moving in opposite directions and the variations are fast.

    while the illustrations clearly shows a a wave which is of constant frequency but of varying amplitude. I believe the caption is correct...

    And a related complaint: what is the point of including a picture of the ring nebula with the caption:

    The Ring Nebula, although not useful imaging through, has the suggestive look of a far-away telescope lens.

    I guess when you can't come up with any images actually related to the topic, you might as well throw in some pretty Hubble pictures for those who aren't going to read the text anyway.

  7. Very Large Array by FTL · · Score: 5, Informative
    Check out the telescope array they used to find this lens. I don't know what's more impressive, the sheer size or the fact that each of the dishes are mobile and shift up and down the tracks so that the array can reconfigure itself for different types of observations.

    I remember seeing a photo of this array as a child. Back then it only had five dishes. I had no idea that it had been filled out. Why don't we hear about this sort of thing?

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    1. Re:Very Large Array by niew · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey you, second from the far right, Get with the programme!

  8. Re: Better name?? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    > Jive? Who's running the place?

    Don't complain - they originally called it the Euro-Australian Telescopic Modification Experiment.

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  9. Re:IANAA by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Umm... yes. Supermassive blackholes are the leading candidates for the engines driving quasars. From Google:

    "Quasar - an enormously bright object at the edge of our Universe that emits massive amounts of energy. In an optical telescope, they appear point-like, similar to stars, from which they derive their name. Their high luminosity is created from matter falling into a supermassive black hole in the centers of distant galaxies."

  10. Re: wikipedia by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    > alright, who's the joker wo updated wiki?!

    The page history shows it to be some loser by the name of 12.216.3.69.

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  11. Imagine... by mav[LAG] · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a globular cluster of these!

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  12. The "Moon": A Ridiculous Liberal Myth by AEton · · Score: 5, Funny
    Right on, brother. Slashdot herself has offered proof of this hypothesis.

    It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

    Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

    Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

    Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.

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  13. uhm... by Hegestratos · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's also an interview with Dr. Hayley Bignall, [...], where he discusses [...].

    He? I know astrophysicist is a male-dominated profession. But a name like 'Hayley' should at the very least make one wonder. See this page to accurately determine Dr. Bignall's gender.

    Furthermore, this is nothing really new; see this /. story, amongst others.

    Still, it's a very creative way of increasing resolution! Not to mention difficult and time-consuming. I wonder how believable the results are. I use a similar technique (called Speckle Masking) to eliminate earth-atmosphere scintillation from Solar observations, with astounding results. These, however, can be checked against single 'lucky shot' images of extrodinary quality or observations from space...

    Cheers,

    Alfred

  14. Re:Actually... by Scott+Ransom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, that is not satisfactory... Your definition was valid in the 60's and 70's but not today.

    Now we know that they are distant galaxies that have active nuclei. The nuclei are powered by supermassive (10^6-10^8 solar masses) black holes. What we are seeing is the point-like emission from near these black holes (i.e. the jets and/or an accretion disk). The radiation is often visible in radio, optical, and X-ray bands.

    PS: IAAA (I am an astronomer)

  15. lenses, resolution and radio (and Carl Sagan!) by sdedeo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Interstellar scintillation is really neat and interesting. You can use its properties to measure the nature of the interstellar medium indirectly -- for example, from the dispersion of a pulsar signal (a pulsar emits something a little like a square wave pulse in the radio, which is then smudged and smeared out as different wavelengths scintillate differently.)

    I studied I.S. a little bit awhile back. Carl Sagan did some work on scintillation; the scintillation effect can pull out a distant radio signal by gathering in rays from a lot of different directions and accidentally throwing them right at you. The famous WOW signal, I believe, was investigated as an example of scintillation from a big cloud much like the ones described in the article.

    It is interesting to see this technique used to do radio astronomy. Most of the times when you encounter a natural lens, it is sufficiently weird that you use the observation to analyse the lens itself, and not what it happens to be magnifying. Gravitational lenses are interesting in large part because you can try to figure out the distribution of dark matter in the lens itself -- and not because you can use it to "see into" the object being lensed. These lenses are not exactly perfect optics -- they're more like balls of glass, which distort and differentially magnify something behind.

    But I'm not as familiar any more with radio astronomy. It is definitely possible that we understand enough about the properties of the ISM that the more interesting problem of figuring out the properties of the background object is open for work. Very cool!

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