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Recoverable File Archiving with Free Software?

Viqsi asks: "Back in my Win32 days, I was a very frequent user of RAR archives. I've had them get hit by partial hardware failures and still be recoverable, so I've always liked them, but they're completely non-Free, and the mini-RMS in my brain tells me this could be a problem for long-term archival. The closest free equivalent I can find is .tar.bz2, and while bzip2 has some recovery ability, tar is (as far as I have ever been able to tell) incapable of recovering anything past the damaged point, which is unacceptable for my purposes. I've recently had to pick up a copy of RAR for Linux to dig into one of those old archives, so this question's come back up for me again, and I still haven't found anything. Does anyone know of a file archive type that can recover from this kind of damage?"

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  1. where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    ever heard of parity archives?

    1. Re:where have you been? by jason.stover · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's the parchive sourceforge site .. Links to PAR2 utils, spec, etc...

  2. wow man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    the mini-RMS in my brain

    You really ought to have that looked at..

    1. Re:wow man by Viqsi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Y'know, I would've done that a long time ago, but my health care provider doesn't cover ideologuectomies. They claim that it doesn't threaten your physical life, just your social one. The bastards.

      :D

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  3. Try apio by innosent · · Score: 4, Informative

    There used to be a cpio-like archiver called apio, that was designed for those types of situations. Of course, that might not be much help for non-unix systems (unless you plan on running in Cygwin), but I remember having great success with it for the old QIC tapes, which were in my experience the worst backup medium for important data ever (better to have no backup than think you have a good one, but have a dead tape)

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    1. Re:Try apio by innosent · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry, I believe it was afio

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  4. Par2 works great by dozer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Store the recovery information outside the archive. Par2 works really well. You can configure how much redundancy you want (2% should be fine for occasional bit errors, 30% if you burn it to a CD that might get mangled, etc.). It's a work in progress, but it's already really useful.

    1. Re:Par2 works great by Stubtify · · Score: 4, Informative
      Allow me to second this. Par2 is everything the first PAR files were and more. No matter what has been wrong I've always been able to recover with a 10% parity set. (even this seems like a lot of overkill, except on USENET). Interestingly enough Par files have revolutionized USENET, I can't remember the last time I needed a fill.

      good overview here: PAR2 files

      comparison between v1 and 2: here

  5. Yeah by photon317 · · Score: 3, Insightful


    The format you're looking for is any format you like stored on reliable storage.

    Why bother with all the intricacies of a pseudo-fault-tolerant data structure? Ultimately the best archive format for recovery will be one that just duplicates the whole archive twice over, doubling space requirements and improving immunity to lost sectors on drives. At which point one asks, "Why don't I just stick to simple files and archives, and use reliable storage that handles this crap for me, for all my data, automagically?" Storage of any sort just keeps getting cheaper and bigger. If you have any interest in the longevity of your data these days, there's almost no excuse for not using the data-mirroring built into virtually every OS these days and doubling your storage cost and read performance while preventing yourself from worrying about drive failure.

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    1. Re:Yeah by Viqsi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why bother with all the intricacies of a pseudo-fault-tolerant data structure?

      I'm on a laptop. I like my laptop. It's a very nice laptop. However, it doesn't exactly support those kind of hardware upgrades, and I am still ultimately on a bit of a budget.

      I kind of put forth the question not only out of the hope that a Magical Solution To All My Archival Problems would Mystically Appear (puff of smoke optional but appreciated) but because I want to find something I also feel like I can unreservedly reccomend to non-ideological friends who are looking for, say, something slightly more reliable than ZIP files. I could've mentioned that in the article post, but it was already getting long. :)

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    2. Re:Yeah by sasami · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Par archives is just a scam popularized by cluless usnet abusers. Think about it, if those files really could reconstruct a corrupt rar archive, why not post only the smaller par files ... Get youself double copies and you'll be far better off

      Ignore this post. It's either a troll or an idiot.

      PAR files substitute for missing pieces. They don't regenerate the whole file by themselves. Go look up how RAID 5 parity works. They're not called PAR files for nothing.

      Just because you don't understand how something works has no bearing on the fact that it does work. Except in certain performance-sensitive cases, doubling up is the least intelligent way of adding redundancy.

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  6. cpio by Kevin+Burtch · · Score: 5, Informative


    True, tar cannot handle a single error... all files past that error are lost.

    On the other hand, cpio (and clones) can handle missing/damaged data without losing the undamaged portions that follow (you only lose the archived file that contains the damage). It is the only common/free format I can think of (from the top of my head) that is capable of this.

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  7. Re:Are you sure tar is unacceptable? by wiswaud · · Score: 5, Informative

    if you make a big tar then bzip2-it, then store the file on a CD.
    then 2 years later you want the data back.
    there's a read-error at some point within the .tar.bz2, and it gives you some garbage data.
    bunzip2 will actually be able to recover all other 900kB chunks of the original tar file, except for this missing chunk or part of it.
    Tar will just choke at that point and you lost everything past the read error. bunzip2 was able to recover the data past the error, but tar can't use the data.
    It's quite frustrating.

  8. RAR isn't completely non-free by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Informative

    RAR compression is free for decompression with source available, heaps of precompiled binaries for decompression on your OS of choice and it's included in a whole heap of popular free archive programs. Just burn the latest source on every CD you make and you should be fine.

    1. Re:RAR isn't completely non-free by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But if you purchase it, as I have, you get a product you can use from now until forever, so long as your OS supports it, plus you can get the decompression source so that you (or someone else) can always write a decompressor for a future platform. Surely you don't need to worry about replacing it until both the following are true: None of the versions you've purchased run on your current platform AND no version compatible with your current platform is available (at a reasonable price). At that point you stop creating RAR archives and simply keep the decompressor around (porting and recompiling as necessary).

      (Personally, I don't care about recovery records, I just keep two copies of everything, and I moved to 7-zip -- which can decompress RAR -- about six months ago.)

  9. Take a look at dvbackup/rsbep by jhoger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are backing up data to a MiniDV camcorder adding forward error correction using a simple command line utility to allow holes in the tape the size of a pin without any data loss.

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  10. Yes... by caesar79 · · Score: 4, Funny

    its an amazing technology...only quite involved.
    Basically you concatenate all the files together (cat should do), print it out on good 32lb paper, get a professor's signature and file it in a college lib...heard those things stick around for centuries

  11. tar/gzip recovery toolkit by wotevah · · Score: 4, Informative
    A quick google search turns up the link shown at the end of this post, from which I quote:

    The gzip Recovery Toolkit

    The gzip Recovery Toolkit has a program - gzrecover - that attempts to skip over bad data in a gzip archive and a patch to GNU tar that enables that program to skip over bad data and extract whatever files might be there. This saved me from exactly the above situation. Hopefully it will help you as well.
    [...]
    Here's an example:

    $ ls *.gz
    my-corrupted-backup.tar.gz
    $ gzrecover my-corrupted-backup.tar.gz
    $ ls *.recovered
    my-corrupted-backup.tar.recovered
    $ tar --recover -xvf my-corrupted-backup.tar.recovered > /tmp/tar.log 2>&1 &
    $ tail -f /tmp/tar.log

    http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/hacking/gzrt/gzrt .html
  12. RAR Archives by vasqzr · · Score: 4, Funny


    Back in my Win32 days, I was a very frequent user of RAR archives.

    Bablefish translation: I was a huge warez kiddie.

    On a related noted, were there any wide-spread, legitimate uses of .RAR? I only remember .ARJ and .ZIP

  13. tarfix by morelife · · Score: 3, Insightful

    tarfix

    may help some of those archive issues.

    But, the archive format is not going to save you. Use multiple media. You need more than one physical archive for better safety, regardless of format. Hell, you'll probably die before some of today's media fails.