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NAE's Draper Prize Goes To PARC's Alto Developers

mccalli writes "The National Academy of Engineering has awarded the Charles Stark Draper Prize to various individuals 'for the vision, conception, and development of the principles for, and their effective integration in, the world's first practical networked personal computers.' The prize is shared amongst two ex-Xerox people, with MIT and HP also making a showing."

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  1. More Info by Joceyln+Parfitt · · Score: 5, Informative

    A more detailed timeline for the awards is available here

    Alltogether there are five of them, the Charles Stark Draper Prize, the Fritz J. and Dolores H. Russ Prize, the Bernard M. Gordon Prize for Innovation in Engineering and Technology Education, the Founders Award, and the Arthur M. Bueche Award

  2. Re:Good to see originators getting credit. by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't forget the hi-toro group which created the original Amiga, a project that was underway with a MULTITASKING gui far before any mac, and which has influenced gui design ever since. Two button mouse anyone? i don't see apple catching up there.

  3. Dealers of Lightning by tsangc · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a really excellent book about PARC and the development of the Alto called Dealers of Lightning:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/08 87 308910/103-7794804-1212634?v=glance

    I borrowed this book from my university library and really enjoyed reading about the development of Smalltalk, laser printers, an optical network link from two PARC buildings, Ethernet, and of course, the Alto.

    Highly recommended.

    1. Re:Dealers of Lightning by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Great book. I've been lucky enough to know some of the people involved and this books is really accurate. (Well, by technology history book standards)

  4. Ethernet by dtio · · Score: 5, Informative
    For those from outer space the text 'the vision, conception, and development of the principles for, and their effective integration in, the world's first practical networked personal computers' refers to the development of the ethernet network technology, no more no less.

    Other developments from PARC are the Graphical user interface (GUI), the mouse, the WYSIWYG text editor, the laser printer, the desktop computer and the Smalltalk programming language.

  5. Re:No mention of Microsoft? by Erratio · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also, and more directly relevant, this is a prize for networking. Microsoft didn't have a viable networking solution for a LONG time after this, and after tons of other companies and organizations had already had large impacts.

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  6. Re:Alan Kay and the rest of the PARC crew richly by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 4, Informative
    Or, to put it simply for the historically challenged with some milestones added in for perspective:
    • 1972 - Xerox GUI/Smalltalk/Ethernet/Laser Printer
    • 1973
    • 1974
    • 1975 - Altair 8800 (not GUI)
    • 1976
    • 1977 - Apple ][ (not GUI)
    • 1978
    • 1979
    • 1980
    • 1981 - IBM PC - MS-DOS (not GUI)
    • 1982
    • 1983 - Apple Lisa
    • 1984 - Apple Macintosh
    • 1985 - Microsoft Windows
    • 1986
    • 1987 - IBM/Microsoft OS/2 (not GUI)
    • 1988 - IBM/Microsoft OS/2 Presentation Manager
  7. Re:Alto PC by pkalkul · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except, of course, for the people that influenced the PARC researchers - such as JCR Licklider at the DARPA ("Man-Machine Symbiosis" was published in 1960), Douglas Englebart's Augmentation Research Center, and others.

    Great leap forwards make good copy, but rarely happen -- particularly in the history of technology.

  8. See www.squeak.org by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Alan Kay who invented Smalltalk-72 and a good deal of what we now call Object Oriented is currently doing a version of Smalltalk called Squeak. Or, as the website puts it, "Squeak is an open, highly-portable Smalltalk-80 implementation whose virtual machine is written entirely in Smalltalk, making it easy to debug, analyze, and change."

  9. Misleading attribution in original post by alispguru · · Score: 4, Informative

    The prize is shared amongst two ex-Xerox people, with MIT and HP also making a showing.

    Please note that all the honorees (Kay, Lampson, Taylor, Thacker) did the work in question at PARC - not at MIT, not at HP, not at Microsoft (where two of them currently work).

    The "MIT and HP also making a showing" just shows the wisdom of those institutions for giving these guys a job after they've changed the world. It also shows typical Slashdot thinking - why mention HP and MIT, and leave Microsoft out, other than because Microsoft is Satan, even when they also hire the best and brightest after they've distinguished themselves elsewhere?
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  10. Re:Alan Kay and the rest of the PARC crew richly by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, that's a pretty clueless reply...

    The Alto was not the first Xerox GUI. What do you think the 72 in Smalltalk-72 was for?

    As for the GUI, NO it doesn't require a "Desktop Metaphor" although Xerox DID have that in 1972. It doesn't require Overlapping Windows. It requires graphical representation of objects.

    Sorry to burst your rant but this is clueless and self-important and totally wrong. It's amazing how people try to rewrite history to match what they wish would have happened.

  11. Re:No mention of Microsoft? by Crash+McBang · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, I heard IBM invented this, and their competitors (The Seven Sisters?) invented the term to describe it (FUD).

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  12. Re:Good to see originators getting credit. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't ever think Apple has ever claimed credit to inventing GUI, they claim credit to making the first commercial personal computer that had a GUI. Also, Apple didn't just steal PARC's GUI, but they based their GUI on PARC's ideas. The actual details of how it worked was done by Apple. It's the same thing with other inventions in history. Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile, but he built his based on other designs. His claim to fame was to make them affordable enough for the masses to own one. Unfortunately the masses think he did because his was the first one they might have ever seen.

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  13. Alan Kay and Squeak by mzimmerm · · Score: 2, Informative

    For Alan Kay's current work, look at www.squeak.org and www.opencroquet.org.

  14. Re:Alan Kay and the rest of the PARC crew richly by grouchomarxist · · Score: 2, Informative
  15. Re:Wasn't the NAE just mentioned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You are confusing your tla's. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A647 12-2004Feb23.html

  16. Re:No mention of Microsoft? by mccalli · · Score: 2, Informative
    No bias. I summarised the article according to where people worked at the time they developed the things they're being awarded for.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  17. It's Kay by rixstep · · Score: 2, Informative

    Alan Kay did everything, and it's good he's recognised. He saw 'organisms'; he invented the term 'object orientation'; he worked with kids and LOGO, and saw this as becoming important for grownups as well. What did Alan Kay not invent or not help invent? Smalltalk everyone's heard of.

    And if they need any help financing his prize, maybe they can start a class action against Bjarne Stroustrup.

    I invented the term 'object-oriented' and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind.
    -- Alan Kay


  18. Lilith by Jecel+Assumpcao+Jr · · Score: 2, Informative

    You might be thinking of the Lilith by N. Wirth. Modula-2 was created for this graphical machine, which was inspired by actually using the Xerox Alto for a year (so it is a later development).

  19. Nonsense, Apple didn't steal this stuff by toby · · Score: 2, Informative
    Jef Raskin wrote the following rebuttal to the same old disinformation when it appeared in the NYT and Macintouch [emphasis mine]:
    I contacted John Markoff when I saw the fine NYT article on the history of the Alto that has been discussed here by Lopez, Thain, and Horn. I've known Markoff for years, and he is one of the best and most knowledgeable writers about the personal computer era.

    My comment to Markoff was that his wording would lead a reader to conclude that Jobs got the inspiration for the Lisa and Mac on a visit to PARC, came back after that, and created the computers. That is the standard mythology, and it's wrong. I hate to see it promulgated, and certainly the word "after" is simply incorrect.

    More accurate would have been "In many ways, the Alto served as an inspiration in the development of Apple's Lisa and Macintosh computers, which in turn inspired the Windows operating system."

    Markoff agreed, and said, "I'll save this and do it that way next time."

    Aside from this one error, I share with Horn the opinion that the article was excellent and accurate.

    I do consider the Alto and lots of other work at PARC to have helped inspire many aspects of the Macintosh. Other inspirations came from great pioneers such as Englebart, Shannon, and Sutherland. As Bruce Horn noted, much that was new and improved over what PARC had done was created at Apple. He contributed to some of it. I will forever be proud that I created the Mac project itself, changed the Lisa architecture to a bit-mapped display from its original hardware-character-generator design, and invented interface widgets which are now so universal that they are considered as natural as breathing.

    As was pointed out by Lopez, I had already come to the concept of interface-first, graphics-based computing before PARC was even started (I published my thoughts in 1967, PARC began in 1972), so it is clear that not all the inspiration for the Mac originated with PARC. I participated in many discussions at PARC from 1973 to 1978, and a few of my ideas found their way into the work there. (Many of us from Stanford's AI lab, where I was a visiting scholar, were frequent visitors to PARC, and vice versa. I have rarely seen the AI lab credited with the contributions it made to PARC's thinking). Some precise and documented details of how the PARC interfaces differed from the Mac's are in available in an appendix to my book, "The Humane Interface" (Addison-Wesley 2000). An independent source and timeline for this period is in Linzmayer, Owen, "Apple Confidential". For those who want to see for themselves, Stanford University's History of Technology project has a website with many original Mac documents, some from before the infamous visit, and more information appears on my site, www.jefraskin.com, including reprints of early Mac and Apple documents.

    I thank Mr. Lopez and Mr. Thain for sticking up for me, and I must chide Mr. Horn for crediting me with "helping to bring the vision of the graphical user interface back [from PARC] to Apple." As noted above, and as he should know by now (I have long since informed him), the chronology proves that I had the vision before there was a PARC.

    <RANT> Macintouch is an excellent resource for current Mac news and issues, BUT they are completely useless when it comes to archiving their material. They don't even let Google catalogue it (last time I checked), and gems such as Raskin's piece above are completely lost as a result. They need to start managing their textual product far more effectively. </RANT>
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