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NAE's Draper Prize Goes To PARC's Alto Developers

mccalli writes "The National Academy of Engineering has awarded the Charles Stark Draper Prize to various individuals 'for the vision, conception, and development of the principles for, and their effective integration in, the world's first practical networked personal computers.' The prize is shared amongst two ex-Xerox people, with MIT and HP also making a showing."

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  1. More Info by Joceyln+Parfitt · · Score: 5, Informative

    A more detailed timeline for the awards is available here

    Alltogether there are five of them, the Charles Stark Draper Prize, the Fritz J. and Dolores H. Russ Prize, the Bernard M. Gordon Prize for Innovation in Engineering and Technology Education, the Founders Award, and the Arthur M. Bueche Award

  2. Recognition by SabrStryk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's good that contributors to the early days of computing are being recognized; I'm sure everyone here understands what it means to do good work and never get a nod for it. At the same time, it comes too late to have a strong impact on careers. Perhaps this is good; the individuals cited in the article seem to have a made a name for themselves in other work as well, and have not been judged solely on their earlier work.

    Another thing I would like to see is a more mainstream news source to pick up this story, even if it's a small sidebar; the general populace recognizes names like Jobs and Gates, but a much smaller percentage (including myself) knows of the other, less business-oriented figures in the industry.

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  3. Good to see originators getting credit. by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So often I see credit for "the gui" going to Apple, when it's these guys who should be getting the real credit. More work in GUI design, more original thought and more of the first hard yards in GUI systems were put in by the Alto originators than Apple's work, which was just in mass marketing an already existing product.

    Kudos to them I say

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    1. Re:Good to see originators getting credit. by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't forget the hi-toro group which created the original Amiga, a project that was underway with a MULTITASKING gui far before any mac, and which has influenced gui design ever since. Two button mouse anyone? i don't see apple catching up there.

  4. Two ex-xerox people huh? by Bryan+Gividen · · Score: 5, Funny

    The prize is shared amongst two ex-Xerox people...

    Headling which was a prelude to this one...

    Two Xerox Employees Fired Over Butt-Copying Incident, footage at 11....

  5. Little know fact about Charles Stark Draper by AmandaHugginkiss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    he is the great uncle of John 'Captain Crunch' Draper, the infamous phone hacker.

    I'm wondering if the Captain will get a prize someday.....

  6. Alto PC by stuffduff · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Alto PC was such a huge leap forward that almost no one could really grasp the concept. These were the guys who saw the computer for the first time as something beyond punch cards, tape reels and stacks of line printed greenbar. They shaped the visions of people like Jobs & Woz, and helped to spark the personal computer revolution.

    Good Job! Well deserved!

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  7. Dealers of Lightning by tsangc · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a really excellent book about PARC and the development of the Alto called Dealers of Lightning:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/08 87 308910/103-7794804-1212634?v=glance

    I borrowed this book from my university library and really enjoyed reading about the development of Smalltalk, laser printers, an optical network link from two PARC buildings, Ethernet, and of course, the Alto.

    Highly recommended.

  8. Ethernet by dtio · · Score: 5, Informative
    For those from outer space the text 'the vision, conception, and development of the principles for, and their effective integration in, the world's first practical networked personal computers' refers to the development of the ethernet network technology, no more no less.

    Other developments from PARC are the Graphical user interface (GUI), the mouse, the WYSIWYG text editor, the laser printer, the desktop computer and the Smalltalk programming language.

  9. See www.smalltalk.org by rofthorax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Steve Jobs and Bill Gates borrowed
    their ides for the GUI and mouse and such from
    not only Xerox PARC but from the Smalltalk
    environment. Smalltalk is not just a language, its a Object Oriented operating environment.. Its hard to call it an operating system even though it controlled resources on the machine,
    and its not really just a language because it allows the users to change the workings of the language and the operating environment at any time.. Its just a massively self-referencing OO environment.. And everything we know of GUI's and mice and such today was based on smalltalk and the machine designed around it..

    Just Xerox was not smart enough to cash in on it because it was so far before its time that there were few with much power to exploit it and sell it.. PARC as was explained at the time was a campus full of nerds designing stuff that made sense without the constraints that usually hold down projects, like having to make money. They had enough money to develop this system.. But certainly nobody was foofing off.. Its hard to know exactly what was involved in the development, what led to it and if this can ever happen again..

    Get a big company with lots of money and poor resource management, get a lot of smart people who are driven to solve problems, keep the lawyers off campus.. Make sure the nerds are absolutely clueless about business and making money.. Remember at the time, nobody was making money selling software much.. The idea was to sell a machine.. Xerox sold hardware not software.. I don't think this can ever happen again.. There is just too much to take for granted, like that anyone can take the software and go sell a piece of it or release it on the Internet..

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  10. Re:Alan Kay and the rest of the PARC crew richly by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 4, Informative
    Or, to put it simply for the historically challenged with some milestones added in for perspective:
    • 1972 - Xerox GUI/Smalltalk/Ethernet/Laser Printer
    • 1973
    • 1974
    • 1975 - Altair 8800 (not GUI)
    • 1976
    • 1977 - Apple ][ (not GUI)
    • 1978
    • 1979
    • 1980
    • 1981 - IBM PC - MS-DOS (not GUI)
    • 1982
    • 1983 - Apple Lisa
    • 1984 - Apple Macintosh
    • 1985 - Microsoft Windows
    • 1986
    • 1987 - IBM/Microsoft OS/2 (not GUI)
    • 1988 - IBM/Microsoft OS/2 Presentation Manager
  11. Misleading attribution in original post by alispguru · · Score: 4, Informative

    The prize is shared amongst two ex-Xerox people, with MIT and HP also making a showing.

    Please note that all the honorees (Kay, Lampson, Taylor, Thacker) did the work in question at PARC - not at MIT, not at HP, not at Microsoft (where two of them currently work).

    The "MIT and HP also making a showing" just shows the wisdom of those institutions for giving these guys a job after they've changed the world. It also shows typical Slashdot thinking - why mention HP and MIT, and leave Microsoft out, other than because Microsoft is Satan, even when they also hire the best and brightest after they've distinguished themselves elsewhere?
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  12. Some real info about the Alto. by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Alto was a neat machine. I've programmed one in Mesa, and I visited PARC in 1975, long before Jobs.

    The Alto's computer was a rack-mounted Data General minicomputer with some special microcode. Xexox built the mouse, Ethernet adapter, and CRT, but manufacture of the computer was outsourced.

    The real history of the GUI is that the first GUI appeared on the SAGE air defense system. The SAGE pointing device was a light gun. After light guns came light pens and the "RAND tablet", the first tablet input device. Doug Engelbart invented the mouse in the late 1960s, and put together an impressive GUI demo, but he had to tie up an entire mainframe to make it work. The Alto was basically an attempt to squeeze down the technology into a useful size.

    Alan Kay referred to the Alto as the "Interim Dynabook". What he had in mind was a laptop. The original Dynabook paper has a picture of a woman sitting on grass using a laptop. It's a cardboard mockup. Todays laptops are less bulky and about a thousand times more powerful than what Kay had in mind. Cheaper, too; Kay wanted to reach the price point of a grand piano. He had a clear vision on the hardware front.

    The Xerox PARC approach was to create technology that was futuristic but not cost effective, with the idea that progress in electronics would bring the cost down. That was exactly right.

    What wasn't right was the emphasis on closed systems. The PARC idea was that it all should just work, and the end user shouldn't have to worry about how it works. Just like Xerox copiers. Out of this mindset came the Xerox Star, Xerox's commercial product. The Star was a networked word processor/office computer networked to file servers and printers. Think of a computer that runs nothing but Microsoft Office and you'll have the right picture. No user-serviceable parts inside.

    That wasn't the way things went. The CP/M - Apple DOS - PCDOS end of computing won out over PARC elegance. Mostly for cost reasons.