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Radar/Wireless Transmitter on a Chip

dganapa writes "Researchers at the California Institute of Technology, headed by Dr. Ali Hajimiri, have developed a low-cost radar system on a silicon chip. The entire system has been designed from the ground up on silicon, thus leading to reduced cost as well as robustness in response to design variations and changes in environment. The chip runs at a staggering speed of24 GHz (enabling it to transfer data as fast as the main network of the Internet) and can soon lift wireless, high-frequency communication to a whole new level. The radar as such is not as powerful as a conventional radar but because of its cost-effectiveness, a number of them can be coupled together to perform really well. A related NY Times article is here. A recent article from Slashdot shows that radar technology is increasingly being implemented in the automobile industry. This current chip is sure to be much more successful than its predecessors as far as the automobile industry is concerned, but whether or not its processing speed will become important in the computer industry remains to be seen."

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  1. Meaningless bullshit by mattjb0010 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The chip runs at a staggering speed of24 GHz (enabling it to transfer data as fast as the main network of the Internet)

    How many Libraries of Congress is that?

    1. Re:Meaningless bullshit by frazzydee · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not completely sure, but this site says that BellSouth's backbone could download the library of congress in 126 seconds- so it's gotta be pretty fast.

    2. Re:Meaningless bullshit by larkost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It could be a component, but only one piece. The really tough part if creating the software that intelligently drives. There are so many oddball cases you have to deal with in driving that it will be a very long time before this is possible.

      Look how much trouble the teams are having putting together vehicles to race each other at 30 MPH on a closed course in the DARPA challenge. Many of them are using radar in conjunction with laser and visual systems in order to put together a world-view, and they are still having major problems running a course without other drivers.

      Now add in all the erratic drivers, random animals, and kids running out into streets, and I don't think we are even close to having self-driving cars.

  2. radar clusters by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 4, Funny
    The radar as such is not as powerful as a conventional radar but because of its cost-effectiveness, a number of them can be coupled together to perform really well.

    Imagine a beowulf... oh nevermind. :)

  3. Collision aviodance on cars at last by MrRTFM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (yes - of course we can disable it if we want to)
    but wouldn't it be great to have the brakes applied if you lose attention for that one split second. Everyone I've known who has been in a car accident, (luckily they were minor) has said just that.

    Unless you are James Bond, or just want to do some fancy driving a radar controlled braking system would be great.

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    1. Re:Collision aviodance on cars at last by gnugie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Both Cadillac and Jaguar sell vehicles with Radar-based Adaptive Cruise Control, which will brake for you if needed.

      Check out the Cadillac XLR.

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  4. 24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by tota · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The arcticle is a little light on technical details, is 24Ghz the speed of the chip or the frequency used to scan/send the data?


    Why can't I get my liquid nitrogen cooled 24 Ghz ahtlon64 then? I thought we weren't capable of making gates that would switch that fast?


    Can someone clear up my confusion?

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    1. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      24GHz is the frequency of the radar signal, which determines the radar's spatial resulution. It's not the data rate, that's an inapt analogy. BTW it's unlikely an automatic braking system will be easy to design-- The rate of false positives is likely to be much too high. Small objects that are near a half-wavelength in size are likely to give strong reflections. So common road objects like pebbles, lane dots, falling rain, are likely to generate an exceedingly high screech-the-brakes rate.

    2. Re:24Ghz link/chip or core speed? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Informative
      BTW it's unlikely an automatic braking system will be easy to design...
      Easy or not, I don't know. But Daimler first put radar-controlled braking for cruise control into Mercedes in 1998. I have ridden in a demonstration, and the system doesn't just shut off the cruise control when you come up on another car - it can hit the brakes quite hard. And apparently this is old news for trucks too:
      American big-rig truck fleets are much further along. More than 10,000 trucks on highways are outfitted with radar-based collision-warning systems that alert drivers to fast-approaching danger and induce braking. Data collected over millions of miles shows the systems have reduced accident rates by 70 percent or more.
  5. A couple of questions come to mind... by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... and no I haven't read the article yet.

    can an array of these be used to emulate a synthetic apreture radar, meaning that a flat panel gives you a 120 to 180 degree field of view from that panel?

    Can the processing power of the chips be used to provide an improved image of what is reflecting in the spectrum the radar is working in? With a two dimensional array of 5 by 5 chips, distributed over a 1 foot by 1 foot surface, you could have a 3 dimensional "image" with a resolution similar to a human's 2 eyes. If the chips themselves can be programmed to do the interpolation, you could use a seprate computer to provide a opengl real time image of the world.

    Perhaps I should read the article...

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  6. Low cost RFID scanners by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This same technology could be used for low-cost RFID scanners. If manufacturers can bundle an entire RFID interrogator on a silicon chip, it would reduce scanner costs and accelerate RFID adoption. The low power of this silicon-based GHz RF would be acceptable in many RFID scanning applications.

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    1. Re:Low cost RFID scanners by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with this RFID concept is the price to adoption is in the $0.10 range which is a hard thing to do. Also the antennas for these are like 3" long pieces of plastic.

      I don't see what having a strong RF field generator on chip does? See, how they work is low/no power needed on-chip which is then excited by RF field and the chip replies with a signal which identifies it. What good does an on-chip "interrogator" do? And how exactly does help this adoption along?

  7. Sounds like fun... by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... having radar in your car. Just don't be surprised one the police finds a way to screw you over for a few more bucks by using passive radar to determine your speed.

    1. Re:Sounds like fun... by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point, but over here you get screwed over if you even go 4 kmh ( roughly 2,5 mph ) over the limit. They don't care if you're overtaking at the moment or not. Besides, the police are supposed to keep speeding under control where relevant, not where it is most profitable.

      It's quite a riot over here in the NL, where our goverment and police ( on all levels ) are practically conspiring against people with cars. Instead of maintaining control at essential points where people might actually be in danger from speeding traffic, ( such as elementary schools near long straight roads, faciltities for deaf or blind people, playgrounds, parks, roads adjacent to residential areas... ) they clock for speeds at places where, for example, the usual 120 kmph changes into 100 kmph for some reason no one understands in the first place. You see the 100 sign, you let go of the gas and less then a second later you see a flash in your rear view mirror and find yourself EUR 48 poorer then before.

      Also common around here are the roads with nonsensical speed limit. Why just 80 on a long straight road with clear and largely empty banks on either side and at least 50m away from the nearest house? The road isn't too busy and everyone wants to get to his/her destination in time. But you can NOT take advantage of this because as soon as you go 84 kmph, you've lost EUR 23 to some idiot dressed in blue. Meanwhile, on the less-busy parallel road just 5m from the houses, someone goes 100 kmph, nearly kills a playing kid and doesn't get fined because it's not profitable enough to station someone over there.

      I do not know what is worse: the fact I have to pay extra taxes because of poor laws in this country, ( Especially regarding highways when compared to Germany, where you can go as fast as you want during certain times iirc... ) or the fact officials downright LIE to us and STILL claim it is all for "safety" and not to just rake in some extra cash. Now this all might be very different where you are, but over here it tends to piss people off. Including yours truly.

    2. Re:Sounds like fun... by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...you've lost EUR 23 to some idiot dressed in blue.

      Which reminds me of little story:
      A man was driving pretty fast over a bridge when he was stopped by a cop.
      What's the hurry?
      I'm late for work.
      What kind of work do you do?
      I'm a doctor. I stretch assholes.
      Say what??
      Yes, I stretch assholes out to about 6 feet.
      What do you do with a 6 foot asshole?
      Give him a radar gun and put him on the end of a bridge.

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  8. Application Errors in the Article by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    * The chip could serve as the brains inside a robot capable of vacuuming your house. While such appliances now exist, a vacuum using Hajimiri's chip as its brain would clean without constantly bumping into everything, have the sense to stay out of your way, and never suck up the family cat.

    Not really. The radar might reflect off the cat or your leg, but would pass right through wooden furniture and walls. A radar-equipped vacuum cleaner would still bump into stuff.

    * A chip the size of a thumbnail could be placed on the roof of your house, replacing the bulky satellite dish or the cable connections for your DSL. Your picture could be sharper, and your downloads lightning fast.

    Wrong on size. Satellite dishes are big to both help collect enough RF energy to get a clean signal and to pinpoint on a single satellite. Without the needed collecting area and beam-forming span of the antenna, the signal would be weak and overlaid with signals from other satellites in orbit.

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    1. Re:Application Errors in the Article by Garak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yea, who ever wrote this article has no clue what they are talking about...

      Hajimiri's chip runs at 24 GHz (24 billion cycles in one second), an extremely high speed, which makes it possible to transfer data wirelessly at speeds available only to the backbone of the Internet (the main network of connections that carry most of the traffic on the Internet

      24GHz is just the operating frequency not the bandwidth. You do have alot of free bandwidth, free is in not sold already, but your still not going to get close to OC-192 speeds. The most rf bandwidth your going to get is maybe 500 Mhz and with 802.11g tech your getting around 20mbit of useable bandwidth out of 6Mhz. So (500/6)*20 = 1666, thats 1.67 gbit, not bad, but nowhere close to backbone speeds of 12gbit.

      This technology could replace the dish, but it won't be the size of your thumbnail. A phased array could be used to obtain a fare amount of gain with a 12x12" panel.

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  9. Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by tlk+nnr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is the frequency band at 24 GHz actually licensed for automotive radar systems?
    According to this press release it's not licensed in parts of Europe.
    And in the US, there is only a temporary license.
    I haven't found an unbiased summary yet - the referenced press release is from a working group of companies in the automotive industry.
    This summary says that the frequence is reserved for radio astronomy and similar users.

    1. Re:Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by OPTiX_iNC · · Score: 5, Informative

      24 GHz is licenced to the HAM's in the US, yet another way they are taking away our bandwidth.

    2. Re:Frequency allocation for 24 GHz? by chang3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes. See FCC ruling. One of such radars
      I believe the issue of opening up this frequency for automotive use is currently being debated in Europe, too.
      There are protected bands around 23.7 GHz for ammonia spectral lines.See this list.

  10. Radar Detectors will become useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will make those radar detectors (used to detect police radars in speed traps) virtually useless. Once every car is equipped with a radar, these detectors will beep continuously.

    Maybe they can be replaced with very sensitive tri-sensor devices that test for a specific combination of: doughnuts, coffee, and bacon.

    1. Re:Radar Detectors will become useless by boobsea · · Score: 5, Informative

      Lets see the most common American radar bands..

      X Band operates on ~10.5Ghz
      K Band operates on ~22.4Ghz
      Ka Band operates on ~34-35Ghz
      (source: http://www.snooper-uk.com/radar_laser_speedtrap_ba nds.htm

      The article states the frequency being used of is 24Ghz, so the only possibly problem might be with K band detectors.

      I dont think they would put both in the same band anyway.. wouldn't that interfere with the radar guns themselves?

  11. Resolution by Mr.+Underhill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If my early morning math is right the wave length of 24Ghz is about half an inch. Does that mean that the chip could distinguish distances as small as half an inch?

    That would be really cool for a small robot if it could.

    1. Re:Resolution by chang3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, looks like your math is right. But the resoultion of a radar is mainly determined by its bandwidth, not the carrier frequency. i.e. Shorter pulse = larger bandwidth = higher bandwidth.

    2. Re:Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You can distinguish ranges smaller than the wave length. You can't see objects, details, etc that are smaller than the wave length.

      For the first you are just measuring time of flight and can look at the phase of the return signal to really pin things down. For the second, if it's too small, the radar doesn't even bounce off.

  12. Frequency. by Jack+Zombie · · Score: 3, Informative

    A related NY Times article is here.

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  13. 1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Just guessing: The radar signal is generated by a microwave oscillator formed by some kind of folded structure on the silicon. The structure must be folded because it must be at least one wavelength of the generated frequency. The wavelength of a 24 GigaHertz signal is:

    (300,000,000 meters/second [the speed of light, approx.]) / (24,000,000,000 cycles/second [24 GHz]) = 0.0125 meters, or a wavelength of 1.25 centimeters.

    In photos, the radar chips are shown to be less than 1.25 centimeters in width and length. That makes me guess that there is some folded resonant structure.

    Does anyone know if that assumption is correct? Is it possible to generate a signal from a structure smaller than one wavelength?

    One of the articles says that the maximum transmission speed is 1 GHz, so that is the maximum speed of any digital or analog circuitry. The governmentally designated band is 22 to 29 GigaHertz, so the theoretical maximum speed of data transmission is 7 Gigahertz, the width of the frequency band.

    This is a major breakthrough. A large number of these chips can be combined with digital signal processing to make a radar that has an effective antenna size much larger than each chip. Large effective antenna sizes are also great for reliable directed data transmission.

    1. Re:1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by zerobeat · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is indeed possible for a device to generate radio frequency with a wavelength greater than the devices physical size. A typical AM station generates a signal at a wavelength 600 meters to about 200 meters. Most AM stations do not have antennas this long and their transmitter boxes certainly aren't this size.

      Frequencies can theorectically be generated with any size circuitry. Im pretty sure this circuit does so using the so called Phase Locked Loop (PLL) circuit, possibly mixing 2 or more together to get the very very very very high frequency by addition. This circuit does not require wire coils (often of relatively large size) to resonate at these "really" high frequencies. There would need to be a filtering step (or two or three) and I can see how this circuit would be hard to miniturize, but I guess they have done it!

      Typically for a radio signal to be radiated you need at least a half wavelength antenna but even this can be cheated at. In the microwave region where this device is working at, signals are best radiated using a "dish" type antenna. This chip no doubt does not come with this dish. It simply generates the rf at 24 GHz.

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    2. Re:1 GHz is the maximum speed of the circuitry. by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the microwave region where this device is working at, signals are best radiated using a "dish" type antenna. This chip no doubt does not come with this dish.

      The article specifically states that the chip implements a phased-array of antennas. And that those antennas are actually physically on the chip itself.

      This is one reason why this solution will be cheap to implement - it does ALL the RF work for you, you simply connect "a computer" to the resultant datastream and interpret it how you like.

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  14. Hype by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The chip is neat, but the article is very heavy on the hype. The only new thing here is putting everything including the antenna on one chip.

    And conventional radars do not cost "millions of dollars".

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    1. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      The only new thing here is putting everything including the antenna on one chip.

      Funny. The article I read says the antennas are on the PCB. What's new is they used Si, instead of more exotic materials.

  15. Radar chip is 24GHz by glassesmonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    I found the NYTimes article dumbed things down a little too much. Basically, this is a press release by a fairly young professor about a ISSCC paper to be presented next week.

    CMOS is getting fast enough (could be SiGe BiCMOS chip but probably CMOS) to allow for amplifiers and ADC (analog-to-digital) that work in the radar (~25GHz on up) range & also allows for million gate DSPs and digital logic on the same chip. The analog front-end is running around 24GHz which gives a 1/4 wavelength around 3mm (antennas are implemented as PCB traces off-chip). This is an analog GHz signal where the transistors are amplifying a tiny GHz signal using analog amplifiers. Digital clock speeds are completely different. Digital is like switching completely from off to on (ie. 0 to 5V -- in reality try 2V or 3.3V). This is like a uV signal being amplified to be later converted to a digital signal with a more reasonable bandwidth that a digital CPU could handle (like your overclocked Pentium).

    The parallel analog antennas & blocks which allows for parallel ADC of 8 channels.. 8 parallel radar antennas. By using parallel processing you can use the information gained by the other channels to improve your ADC or have each channel only need to work at 1/8 of the total speed. Also, having 8 antennas allows phased arrays where you can control the beam and allows you to scan the beam or block out other signals (much like cell towers can focus in on one cell signal, and why your 802.11 router has two antennas). So, depending on how much bandwidth the ADCs need & how fast the DSP is running is really the 'digital' GHz part of the chip. So the digital processing is probably a more reasonable 100's of MHz (though hard to compare DSP speed to CPU speed). The processed digital waveform can be sent high-speed off chip, or to on-chip CPU to be used to disable your cruise-control and hit the brakes for you.

    Why do you care? Well by using straight CMOS the radar system can be made on one chip and not need 'exotic' GaAs/SiGe/InP (BJTs of traditional radar systems) and when the automotive chips get down to sub-$5 they will show up in every car. Also doing it this way, much smaller power is involved and you don't need circuits that look like your microwave oven waveguides.

  16. Traffic monitors by CCCP4Life · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine placing these chips on top of light poles every 1/2 mile on big city highways. Now enable them to relay information to each other and broadcast it via Bluetooth or something like that.

    In your car have a GPS map that has wireless capability to these units. You can get a real-time traffic density map of the city and decide if you want to take the freeway home or take another route...

    Seems like a pretty easy app to set up also.

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    1. Re:Traffic monitors by BillX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Imagine placing these chips on top of light poles every 1/2 mile on big city highways. Now enable them to start photographing drivers and license plates whenever excess speeds are detected...

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  17. because braking is not always best by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Informative
    but wouldn't it be great to have the brakes applied if you lose attention for that one split second. Everyone I've known who has been in a car accident, (luckily they were minor) has said just that.

    As someone who volunteers at his car club's high-speed driver education events and has attended one of the events as a student- um, no.

    First, braking is NOT always the best choice. When you're doing 60 and a moose jumps out in front of you, you STEER, not BRAKE. Why? Because under about 200 feet, you're never going to stop in time but you probably can change lanes. Simple physics tell you why- it's a lot easier to accelerate a car enough to move 10 feet to the side than it is to bring the whole thing to a stop.

    Second, when said moose jumps out in front of you, steering while braking is exactly what causes many accidents, because you unbalance the car, shift a huge amount of weight to one corner tire, which becomes drastically deformed under the weight and becomes nearly useless; meanwhile, there's next to no weight on any of the other tires, and they're useless too. Your tires have what is called a "friction circle"; draw an X-Y axis, now a circle centered. That describes how much acceleration your tire can accomplish in any one direction. Notice that there's less of any one particular axis when you're doing both? Your tires always stop better when you're not trying to steer, and vise-versa. Both controls should ALWAYS remain under control of the driver so the system doesn't try to do something while you're doing something else.

    Third, proper driver education is a lot cheaper(just one $200-300 event, depending on the club, will teach you quite a bit about how to handle your car properly) in the long run.

    Your friends who have been in accidents need to analyze WHY they got into the accidents they did. I'm guessing an automatic braking system would not have "fixed" any of this, but better attentiveness, good judgment, and proper knowledge of how to handle their car would have.

  18. Radar on a car = Don't Be A Pedestrian! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It could be a component, but only one piece. The really tough part if creating the software that intelligently drives. There are so many oddball cases you have to deal with in driving that it will be a very long time before this is possible.

    I don't think the goal is that loft at this point - we're talking about an aid for the (human) driver to see through fog.

    Quoted from the first line of the article:

    Imagine driving down a twisty mountain road on a dark foggy night. Visibility is near-zero, yet you still can see clearly. Not through your windshield, but via an image on a screen in front of you.

    This would be nearly impossible to implement by radar alone, but this is a step towards it.

    The problem, of course, is clutter. Fog, snow and rain all obscure your view through radar because of clutter and attenuation. Even with a very intelligent algorithm combining the skills of hundreds of experienced mariners, finding the sweet spot on the clutter and gain controls is difficult.

    Another issue is "obstructions" which won't cause an echo at all - like the very big fall waiting for you on the other side of the missing guardrail.

    Let's consider a worst-case scenario. It's raining. The gain and clutter are configured to give you a clear view of cars in front of you, guardrails, concrete obstructions, rocks, etc despite the driving rain.

    A few minutes ago, a truck drove down the road and a forklift pallet of toilet paper fell off the truck. Do you think your radar is going to show you its echo? I think its relatively weak echo will be filtered out as clutter...

    How about something more substantial, a big square rooftop HVAC unit sitting on the road, one of its four corners pointed directly at you? Even under the best possible circumstances, it's going to be very hard to get an echo off that, since there isn't a surface normal to the RF energy leaving your car...

    Or a kid, wandering around the road. Daddy had an accident because he trusted too much in his automotive radar system, and has been hurt. The clutter on your own radar system is set high enough to obsure the echoes from the water droplets of the driving rainstorm. Now, what kind of echo are we going to get off a human being, considering that we're mostly water?

    I've seen people on radar systems. You really don't see much, and I don't care whether it's X-band or S-band, a crappy little Furuno bought at the yacht club or a $200,000 interswitched Lloyds type-approved Racal-Decca ARPA radar used on an aircraft carrier. You're still not gonna see much of a target.

    While I was designing radar video systems for Litton (before the tech collapse), we had constant reports that bridge crews were using the radar for navigation, rather than properly sighting, having crew on watch, and bringing the ship to a slow speed with due consideration of conditions.

    The ship's captain probably has 20 years experience at sea, and is now in charge of a multi-million dollar vehicle with many lives on board. These are responsible, intelligent and experienced people. And they often take their radar's accuracy for granted.

    How, then, are we going to get Joe Sixpack who currently thinks nothing of driving around in his SUV, cellphone planted to his ear, to understand that the radar image presented to him is NOT infallible? That it is, despite its ability to "see" through fog, snow and rain, actually less accurate than the human eye?

    Hell, how are we even going to teach him to read the display? With several years of experience reading PPI radar displays, there's no way in hell that I would ever try to use it (or just a quadrant sweep) to drive a car. It's just not as intuitive as it would seem, and I can't even begin to imagine what sort of work would be required to try to create something like a TV picture of the road ahead.

    First off, to scan the image, the transceiver's antenna would have to be scanned - physically moved around - at the same speed as the desired refresh rate of the

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    1. Re:Radar on a car = Don't Be A Pedestrian! by RayBender · · Score: 2, Informative
      Fascinating post. You sound like you have a pretty good idea about radar. I only have one quibble....

      First off, to scan the image, the transceiver's antenna would have to be scanned - physically moved around - at the same speed as the desired refresh rate of the image.

      At the bottom of the article he mentions that these things are used as a phased array. You don't have to mechanically scan the antenna. This allows you very rapid switching. As for rates, lets say that you want a 1k by 1k image at 10 Hz. That's a pixel rate of 10 MHz, or 100 ns dwell time per pixel. That gives you a 50-ft range. Probably not sufficient, but close. You could very likely have multiple T/R beams simultaneously, as long as you are clever about sidelobe supression.

      That being said, you are right about issues with gain and calibration. It's unclear from the post what frequency this thing works at, but they did mention 24 GHz. If that's the radar frequency, then won't you have some significant reflections off of people? This is really mm-wave radar...

      By the way, I'd tought that passive imaging mm sensors were the next big thing; there is work on them for aircraft, I know. Maybe you could adapt this silicaon technology to that and make mega-pixel imaging mm arrays..?

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  19. What makes you think they are hi-po? by jake-in-a-box · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't see anything in the article that referred to power output - maybe I just missed it. But I think that there may be lots of applications where the kind of power you are thinking about isn.t needed, Military units need maximum range, and range is often hundreds of miles. But to spot another car in the fog all you need is a hundred yards or so.

    And the beam-focusing aspect means that 100 mW can go a long way.

    I was thinking that the communications aspect may be the big payoff, think what this would do for a cell-phone. No external antenna, and the comm beam always aimed in a direction other than the user's head. Cuts the radiation exposure by orders of magnitude. Of course you might not want to step in from of one...

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  20. range anyone? by Seahawk91 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know everyone is excited about the chip that uses almost no power to act as a radar. However, unless they re-write a few laws of physics, I thought the range of a radio signal was dependent upon its power with a few other environmental factors thrown in. Did I miss something, or has no one stated the range of this device yet?

  21. Re:Harmonics by gordguide · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's all about the power with radar. So, it's unlikely that a chip that actually manages to get in the right bandwidth to work as radar with the available power it has available is going to have much output below that optimum. I would bet they are using whatever frequency that sits on top of the bell curve, and are happy to have it.

    Transmit; listen; figure out the difference between what you heard and what you should have heard if it went on indefinitely (ie no relfection). Repeat, very quickly.

    The listening part is already at it's limit as to finding small reflections, though, they're already a very, very small fraction of your transmitting power. That's where all the computing is taking place, where you put the software resources.

    You mentioned harmonics; I think you misunderstand them a bit. They don't go both ways from the original frequency. You must listen at the same frequency as you transmit; if you listen at a harmonic above that frequency you might hear something at a much reduced level; if you listen at anything below your fundamental frequency (the transmit one) you hear ...

    Nothing.

    There is no such thing as a harmonic below the fundamental.

    Lowering the frequency in the transmitter means you need more power and it probably won't fit on a chip. If somehow you did try it with an existing chip, all that happens is you get even smaller levels of bounced signal power (you're transmitting less level because you're below the transmitter's optimum) which means even more difficulty listening for reflections.

    By the way, diffusing reflections and therefore making an even smaller percentage of them bounce back to the reciever pretty much sums up the whole working theory behind stealth. If you think about it, each attempt to reduce your available reflected signal numbers and strength is like building stealth into your radar. That's like deliberately building bugs into your debugger.

    Since virtually all (1) radar systems that can see more than a few metres still require large vacuum tube transmitters to work at all (power, power, power), I'd say this chip is pretty much state-of-the-art and I'd bet they're doing all they can with what we know how to make and what we physically can make right now.

    (1) I'd say all (period) but I'm not privy to everything and governments do keep secrets. Perhaps some automotive-types that watch 10 feet for a parked car might be solid state, but so far as the ones I know about, they all still use a small transmitting tube. Solid State transmitters are coming; but this story is really about a breakthrough in making a SS radar at all.

  22. No more speed traps... by TakeIT2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, in about 15 years at least...

    To get a licenced vehicle it will have to have a similar chip in it, pointing at the ground below the car 2 feet from the cars edge. The car will report the speed to you and the cops. No high speed chases, just a ticket or summons in your mail box, maybe it will even triggar an auto-funds-debit (no pun intended.) Forget self driving daydreams, the reason we like to drive is autonomy (again no pun.) Even futuristicly, self driving is a luxury add-on, that this chip might only make slightly less cost prohibitive for general production. As part of an Auto's BlackBox/Lojack system this would be a very, very ecconomical inclusion.

    ...At least 15 years in the USA to get all the juristictions on the same page. The way most people drive, this is like money in any Goverments bank that posts a speed limit.

    Hmmm, I wonder how many snapshots a digital camera (or bank of cameras) would take in focus with this chip by its side? Entry ways, crowd scaning; can this chip be used in high speed facial reccognition systems?