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Munich Struggling with Linux Transition?

rune2 writes "The Toronto Star has an article up that mentions that Steve Ballmer is gloating about how the Munich transition to Linux and Open Source software isn't going too well." Even if the transition is going poorly, what about when Munich is finally set? Funny how there's no mention of all the future costs of licenses they've already saved themselves from, yet there's a nice plug for the next version of Windows. Last time I checked, Windows' upgrades from one version to the next were not free by any definition.

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  1. My experiance with Linux by MooKore+2004 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Linux is the better option. It is cheaper, just not in balmers (thats a currency). When I built my system, I had the choice of Windows (179) or Linux (40 for boxed set), natrualy, I chose Linux, I got all my hardware detected, all the software I needed and of course, all the games I played (some with wine).

    Ballmer maybe laughing now, but as more and more organizations switch, it wont be long before Linux DOES cut into Microsoft's profits, and we will see who has the last laugh.

    If you havn't tried Linux before, then
    Legally get a free copy of Lindows! Lets see Microsoft beat that!

  2. You would think.. by hangareighteen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That a company that's recently been hammered in the anti-trust area wouldn't
    have a president gloating over how hard it is to change away from their
    system to a more standards-compliant and open one. I guess they've given
    up any sense of decorum a long time ago, but it's still a bit shocking.

  3. Re:So let's try to fix it by d00ber · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Amen!!! I didn't see a lot of material on what the problems were though.

    * User training?

    * Gaps in the user application space?

    * Porting in-house applications?

    * Database access or porting?

    * Windows or other *NIX interoperability?

    * Availability of trained admins?

    * Cultural problems?

    What is it?
    Inquiring minds want to know!!

  4. Here's the scariest part... by hehman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ballmer, recognizing that virus-infected home PCs pose a risk to business users, said the company is studying how consumers can get software patches automatically when flaws are detected in Microsoft software.

    Attention IT managers: the PCs you're in charge of fixing may change their OS behavior at times of their choosing.

  5. Humph. by starseeker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Ballmer said governments that abandon Microsoft are more interested in making a political statement than using the best and most affordable software."

    What constitutes the "best" software? Most features? Maybe. Best stability? Maybe. Best security? Maybe.

    For some situations and groups, the best software is software the furthers goals like avoiding dependance on a foreign company with a bad track record for business practices and near monopoly control. Like, say, foreign governments. Which are, after all, political institutions. Why wouldn't they make political statements?

    Microsoft gets it, all right. They will do their best to make decisions other than for immediate $$ spent look silly, but for some in this world there really is more to it than that. Microsoft knows to fear thinking like this, because it cannot be controlled.

    "The people who are making business decisions based on where are the applications, what is the value, what is the lowest cost of ownership, we're not losing them."

    At, but there again value and cost of ownership are not always strictly a matter of $$. Frankly, it's a pretty cold world when that is true, and it's one of the things I dislike about the US. In any case, to solve the chicken egg problem of applications first or users first, the users typically have to take the plunge.

    Ballmer can chuckle all he likes. What he isn't mentioning is that first adapters always, ALWAYS, have a hard time. Did we make fun of the first people who bought those really expensive first generation DVD players? Do universities shrink away from paying Peoplesoft $$$$$$$$$ for rather unimpressive systems that still need lots of tweaking? (I'm still convinced if a couple of them had hired GNU enterprise with that $$$ everyone would have been better off, but that's another post.) Change is tough. But for each person or group that makes the change, things are ironed out and it gets easier next time around. And as things get easier, a proven track record emerges, and the trail is paved, more people start to go down it.

    So sure, Munich is chopping down trees to make a road through the forest right now. But the next time around someone else will have an example to follow, and will also do some more road clearing.

    I'm quite sure if Munich had made the decision to switch over to Macintosh, they'd be facing many of the same problems. To a certain extent change is just hard, period. But the thinking here is long term, not short term. The Media reports short term, Microsoft laughs in the short term. But I'm a lot more interested in the long term, when Munich can look at the next upgrade cycle prices for Windows and laugh in their face.

    --
    "I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
  6. Re:No surprise. by Tabula+Rasa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Any switchover of this kind will run into teething problems. We switched over most of our academic admin office (about 30 computers) to Linux/OpenOffice. Despite the support of two experienced Linux sysadmins and backing from On High, there was considerable grousing that still continues some 6 months later. File opening speeds, minor formatting things, print speeds - anything that might be imagined to be a little worse than the good old Win/Office system. I think it is mostly two factors: resistance to any kind of change, and the loss of freedom to mess around with the system. The slight but obvious user interface issues are a good added excuse.
    On the flip side, though: No viruses. No files lost. No idiot using someone else's machine and wiping out data. Automatic remote backup. The sysadmins are happy! Unfortunately these things do not seem to figure in the tally of the staff, even when one of their colleagues who has yet to switch has had all her files scrambled by one of the latest viruses.
    In short - it is hard to get people to change. But there are enormous savings, and not just financially.

  7. Re:There is one positive by dfung · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I agree with this completely.

    I personally think the overall complexity of the open source path is probably slightly higher than Windows these days, but on this scale of operation probably not radically different. Pick the wrong Windows integrator (strong on client or server side but not both) and it will be a painful migration.

    One problem that I do see is that in strategic deals like this one, Microsoft has an advantage in that the corporation can "fix" a bad integrator choice by flooding the site with the money and knowledge needed to make this work. A big IT consultant can try to do the same thing, but that may require a big internal investment on their part - I'm not sure whether going back to a SUSe or RedHat with problems could create the same effect.

    Of course, that's what MS would argue that their value-add is, and I don't know that I would completely disagree. I'm sure they're loading MS commandos into the Microsoft Air Force troop carriers in Redmond, waiting for Munich to ask for help.