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NetBSD in 2003 - Annual NetBSD Status Report

jschauma writes "On February 7th, The NetBSD Foundation held it's annual meeting, during which the developers discussed, among other things, how NetBSD progressed over the last year and what things are planned for the comming year. The Annual NetBSD Status Report summarizes this meeting and provides an overview of past, present and future of the NetBSD Project, the NetBSD operating system, pkgsrc and the NetBSD Foundation both in general and from the perspective of each group, to give users and people interested in NetBSD insight into the project. Please join our mailing lists for participating in ongoing discussion, and see our web site for more information about the NetBSD project, http://www.NetBSD.org."

49 comments

  1. Status in case of /. by satanami69 · · Score: -1, Troll

    January beep
    February beep
    March badump
    April beep
    May beep
    June "Clear"
    July badump
    August badump
    September beep
    October beep
    November beeeeeeep
    December "Time of Death?"

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  2. What We Know about NetBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    1. You can not play games on it.
    2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
    3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
    4. There is no support available for it.
    5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
    6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
    7. You have to compile everything and know C.
    8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
    9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
    10.It is dying.

  3. good report by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a pity such annual reports aren't more common among free software projects.

    One funny thing is that the pkgsrc section mentions a patch in the GNATS database to allow pkgsrc to run on GNU Hurd systems! (it already runs on GNU/Linux)

    I doubt any established distros are going to ditch their existing package systems, but if a new distro was to begin (as a non-Debian testbed for GNU/Hurd) - it would be worthwhile evaluating the *BSD package systems.

    1. Re:good report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, Bluewall Linux uses NetBSD pkgsrc; though I don't understand why anyone would use it when there is the real thing.

    2. Re:good report by kivaapina · · Score: 5, Funny

      The reason why such annual reports aren't more common is because they occur once a year. If they were to become more common they would cease to be annual.

    3. Re:good report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Well, Bluewall Linux uses NetBSD pkgsrc; though I don't understand why anyone would use it when there is the real thing.

      Now that's trolling! And yet, the BSD-snobs moderate that up. Bah.

    4. Re:good report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I expressed an opinion, and in some sense a question.
      Since you can't come up with a reason for anyone to use it either I don't think you really have anything to complain about, as I'm obviously not wrong.

    5. Re:good report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

      One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

      You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

      FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

      Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

      OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

      Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

      All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dbblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

      Fact: *BSD is dying

  4. Where the hell is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    FFS, this story has been on /. for an hour now, and NOBODY has posted the "BSD is dying" manifesto yet?

    Whatever happened to tradition?

    1. Re:Where the hell is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      'Whatever happened to tradition?'

      Schools out...

  5. Argh!!!~plop by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: -1, Troll

    ...And suddenly, the programmer had a fatal heart attack!!

    HUNGHHH!!!!

    And NetBSD was no more.

    _____

    What is your favorite distribution?

    Free.. no NetBSD AAARRRRRRrrrggghh

    --
  6. NetBSD Status Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's been over an hour since posting and it's pretty empty here so far... Any else out there.. out there... there..? Hello?..ello..llo..lo? In all seriousness, is there any reason to really use NetBSD over even FreeBSD unless you have some extravagantly ancient hardware?

    1. Re:NetBSD Status Report by dasunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      is there any reason to really use NetBSD over even FreeBSD unless you have some extravagantly ancient hardware?

      Portable code tends to be rather clean code.

      Clean code tends to run better and have fewer bugs.

    2. Re:NetBSD Status Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, this is the main reason why FreeBSD decided to get more Tier 1 architectures, because portability is a good debugging tool.

    3. Re:NetBSD Status Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Portable code tends to be rather clean code.
      Clean code tends to run better and have fewer bugs.

      Yep. One of the more interesting ones to me was the new RC system, which when implemented on Vax was very noticably slower than the old one. I remember reading the whole thread on ways to resolve it. No flame wars, no little ranting "children", just a solid technical discussion on ways to fix it.

      It points out things when something that maybe adds .1 seconds to your startup on a fast x86 box adds *minutes* to the startup on your old Vax. Things like that might never have been noticed without it being so portable, and it leads to better code/performance for *all* platforms.

      Plus, having the same PCI card driver on your PC and your PPC Mac makes for easier fixes. Find a bug, fix it in one place, and all PCI platforms are fixed.

      I run NetBSD everywhere I can. The people on the boards are generally always very "professional", I don't see people getting flamed for asking "stupid" questions, and in general I see a lot of thought going into the *design* before things get implemented. I always find the Linux approach of "just start coding, figure it out as you go" to be a recipe for bad things... like a VM change in the middle of the 2.4 chain. Sorry, I want risk, I'll run -current. I want stability, I run a normal release. Never gotten bit on NetBSD yet.

    4. Re:NetBSD Status Report by MarcQuadra · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well the FreeBSD website doesn't appear to have a PowerPC version for the taking. I know it's probably quite possible, but NetBSD runs on PowerPC quite nicely.

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
    5. Re:NetBSD Status Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PPC is in the works.

  7. Mirror of status report by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: -1

    can be found here in case of slashdotting.

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    1. Re:Mirror of status report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      San Francisco eh? And did the cause of death happen to involve severe trauma to the anus?

    2. Re:Mirror of status report by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: -1

      Quite possibly. *BSD was last seen alive with Michael Sims in front of San Francisco City Hall, participating in some kind of ceremony...

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  8. WARNING! Avoid *BSD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  9. "Status, Bones!" "He's dead, Jim." BSD is dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Ever notice the "beat the rush and see it early" link at the top of slashdot when a new story is about to come out?

    Sounds good, doesn't it? To be able to view the pages linked to in the article before the tens of thousands of other slashbots click to view them.

    Did it ever occur to you that you're taking part in cyber-terrorism?

    That's right: Slashdot's editors are cyber-terrorists. They coordinate a DOS against small websites, and they attempt to collect moeny from people who wish to be spared the effects of said DOS. Terrorism, plain and simple.

    You can fight this and other crimes by slashdot's editors by joining anti-slash. Anti-slash is committed to forcing the editors to own up to their numerous crimes against the geek community. Until our demands are met, we will relentlessly discredit them as a news service through trolling and other means.

    Also, props to poopbot and the alan thicke troll. We remember your accomplishments.

    In sacred jihad,

    jihadi_31337

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  10. Annual NetBSD Status Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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    1. Re:Annual NetBSD Status Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's why the reports that "BSD is dying" are incorrect

  11. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Netcraft confirms it.
    Slashdot knows it.
    BSD folk are zealot.

  12. Re:NetBSD Status Report ($core:5, Insighftul) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Unfortunatley your ancient hardware dosent want to be asscociated with a dying os.

  13. (0 out of 5903 comments) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Mahahaha! BSD is so dead, that even the trolls are dieing!

  14. THERE'S AN ADDENDUM TO THE REPORT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dead

  15. Stop wasting your mod points! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    You know they are all trolls, leave them be! Spend the mod points in articles where they are NEEDED! So be a good BSD necrophile, don't waste your points on the living!

  16. Summary: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Stiff and starts to smell.

  17. Is Linux a 501(c)(3) like NetBSD? by nutznboltz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is important in the US since if you are a citizen there and you donate more than a certain amount per year to 501(c)(3) chartible organizations combined and you turn in all the receipts you can complete write the donations off on your taxes and get the money back either as a refund or in lieu of taxes paid.

    1. Re:Is Linux a 501(c)(3) like NetBSD? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Who in the hell rated this as Interesting?

    2. Re:Is Linux a 501(c)(3) like NetBSD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

      One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

      You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

      FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

      Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

      OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

      Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

      All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dbblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

      Fact: *BSD is dying

  18. Linux isn't a company by boobsea · · Score: 5, Informative

    Talk about specific Linux development companies instead.

    Debian might fall into this category, but I wouldn't know about others

    1. Re:Linux isn't a company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      anyone here the news? BSD is dead.

  19. If I were a rich man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Whatever happened to tradition?

    You sound like you just saw Fiddler On The Roof.

  20. NetBSD annual report archives... by lacrymology.com · · Score: -1, Troll

    ... I managed to locate an archive of the annual reports:

    1993: BSD is dying.
    1994: BSD is dying.
    1995: BSD is dying.
    1996: BSD is dying.
    1997: BSD is dying.
    1998: BSD is dying.
    1999: BSD is dying.
    2000: BSD is dying.
    2001: BSD is dying.
    2002: BSD is dying.
    2003: BSD is dying.
    2004: TBD

    -m

    --

    #
    # Modus Ponens
    #
  21. Quote of teh str0y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I didn't believe in reincarnation in any of my other lives. I don't see why I should have to believe in it in this one. -- BSD user.

    Sorry. BSD is gone and it's never coming back.

  22. Just to add to your definitive list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    11. It has no more core developers
    12. Hardware support... what?
    13. It cannot be used by grandpa
    14. Or my cousin
    15. Or my aunt
    16. Or my uncle.
    17. Hooooooooooeeeeeeeee

  23. "It's dead, Jim." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    NetBSD was a futile effort by BSD developers to rescue this doomed corpse of an operating system. 2003 was a terrible year for NetBSD. The 1st quarter reports for 2004 are already in and clearly indicate no amount of "niche" marketing will raise something from the dead.

  24. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Still alive?

  25. No, its blatant bias in the mods in this section by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    If you can trash Linux and get modded up, why can't you trash BSD and get modded up?

    Just admit that you're all a bunch of hypocrites

  26. Re:No, its blatant bias in the mods in this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I didn't trash Linux you ignorant luser.

  27. Slashdot is sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How nice, NetBSD 1.6.2 has been available for several hours and not one mention. Of course don't worry, in the meantime there's plenty of room to post the same story three or four times. Maybe that's why all the BSD folks have left slashdot and gone to daemonnews instead.

  28. Re:No, its blatant bias in the mods in this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus God you're a faggot.

  29. Re:No, its blatant bias in the mods in this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, what good arguments you come with, NOT! I'm amazed he even bother to reply to you in the first place.

  30. More logical explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    SHIT ON ME! It's official - Netcraft has fucking confirmed: *BSD is dying

    Yet another cunting bombshell hit the "community" of *BSD asswipes when IDC recently confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of one single puny fucking percent of all servers. Coming hot on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more fucking market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is ingesting itself backwards, disappearing up its very own shitter, as fittingly exemplified by coming a piss poor dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a cock-sucking Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any fucking future at all for *BSD because that sorded, shit-filled, mutated testicle of an operating system is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink splashes across the accounting documents like a series of exploding bloodfarts. FreeBSD munches the most ass of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD cuntwipes Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying and its rotting corpse smells worse than a maggot, vomit, shit and piss cocktail.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the fucking numbers, shall we? OK!

    OpenBSD wanker Theo states that there are a pathetic 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Oh, God, let's fucking see... The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore it's turd-suckingly obvious that there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore, by simple fucking arithmetic, there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. Surprise fucking surprise, this is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of those arseholes at Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD showed themselves to be a bunch of retarded tossers, went out of business and were taken over by BSDI who sell another special needs OS. Now BSDI is also a miserable failure, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house... pathetic.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily fucking declined in market share. *BSD is where it belongs, at death's door and its long term survival prospects are almost non-fucking-existant. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among moronic, dilettante shitheads. *BSD continues to Chew Satan's Dick And Fuck The Baby Jesus Up The Pooper. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD IS A FUCKING USELESS WASTE OF BITS AND IS DYING LIKE THE DOG THAT IT IS. IT MAKES ME SICK JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.

  31. Re:No, its blatant bias in the mods in this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes you did, you arrogant zealot. You said you didn't know why anyone would use Linux over NetBSD.

    I guess you will try to deny that you said that..

  32. Re:No, its blatant bias in the mods in this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you failed reading comprehension; he said he didn't see why anyone would run NetBSD pkgsrc on Linux when they could run it on NetBSD. He might as well question why anyone would run apt-get on NetBSD when they could run it on Linux, but that wasn't the question.

    I think it's pretty obvious who's the zealot, here.